Grey Sheet Price
ccmorgan
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Can someone tell me grey sheet prices for 1878 CC Morgan and 1880-CC through 1885-CC Morgan in MS64 and MS65?
Thanks in advance.
CCMorgan
Love the 1885-CC Morgan
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You could also get them through Heritage.
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Looks like you specialize in CC Morgans, please support the hobby and subscribe to the Greysheet! Killer intel and they totally support the little guy...
You can get a quarterly subscription reasonably. Works for me!
This is just more or less a one time deal just to see true wholesale value. Love the 78-85 CC's but the 79 and 89's are too much for the hobby for me.
I just bought two from great collections but probably paid a bit too much but they do have a lot to choose from.
I have a set of the CC Morgans... However, I do not follow pricing. I collect, not a seller. I put the set together in the late '90's, early 00's, so what I paid then is not likely relevant now. Cheers, RickO
Post some pics if you don't mind. We all love eye candy.
You can buy a single issue if you don't need a subscription.
I bought a single and wish I never had. I’ll be buried with my coins before I’ll sell for greysheet. Great tool for dealers but a real heartbreaking experience for a simple collector like me.
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@JohnF whats the best way for someone who can’t justify a full subscription to get access to your information periodically or for special occasions (for instance an upcoming show that might be the only one they can attend for the year)?
I used to buy a paper copy about once a year, but I think there might be more/different options now. Some education from the source would be appreciated
Edit: if this is too much of a hijack, another thread would be cool, too.
‘Why not support us and get a subscription? We work hard to maintain our pricing database and we rely on subscribers to help us keep investing in this great hobby.’
John. I support you and have for years now. When I was recently an expert witness hired by the US Justice Department / Dept. Of The US Treasury, my expert opinion and the opposing party’s expert opinion were miles apart on the numismatic valuation issues at hand. No settlement was possible and the parties went to a full (roughly week long) Federal trial on the case with numismatic valuation being at the core of the issues. I testified before the Federal Court very convincingly (as the Government won the matter hands down) and your product was part of my overall opinion and presentation to the Federal Judge (that incorporated myriad data points of mine) to assist the government win their case. We should catch up one day and talk about it.
Can I recommend you adding to the Monthly sheet the United States Philippine coins (which I know you personally love). And please check out my son Justin’s pricing guide on MS and Proof Pesos over on his monstercoinmart.com website. At the last Heritage sale, a number of Mint State and Proof Pesos sold for upwards of 20x-25x current price guides. But, many of those sales prices (including a non-key date coin that broke the $100,000 barrier) were entirely in line with Justin’s publicly stated prices BEFORE the sale (I even pointed that out to Mark Feld who managed to get Peso(s) with as little as $1250 current price guide value into the Platinum night session where they fetched $30,000 and up! Thanks Mark for believing in Justin! And, Justin intends to prepare similar pricing guides for all 14 MS and Proof USPI coins series. Feel free to hire him as part of your project John to maintain the very finest pricing on USPI coins once you begin to follow and report on the series monthly.
You remember Justin-the young boy at the time who snapped our pic together inside the bank vault when I sold you the finest known 1894-S 10C PCGS at the Oakland bank and you took the cross country red eye flight with a near 2 million dollar coin in your top pocket (thank you CNN for reporting on the key “take away” of our landmark deal at the time). 😂
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This says nothing about Greysheet.
I buy for Greysheet and sell for Greysheet, as do most dealers I know. There are some niches where this doesn't happen, especially top pop material. But for "widgets", Greysheet is very reflective of the current market.
You can order single issues online, or you can subscribe to receive 4 issues quarterly. Keep in mind that to access Greysheet pricing on the web site, you need an active subscription, which can be obtained for only $25/month with a 3-month minimum commitment. Here's the link [Greysheet]
This is probably also a good time to let everyone know that we are (hopefully) less than one week from launching a brand new web site. Similar to existing site but much better with a LOT of improvements. We will no longer be giving away retail pricing for free from this point forward, but we will have plans that are as little as $8 per month to get access. As the old saying goes, "I'd give it away, but my wife won't let me."
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Thank you for this endorsement! We feel like we have to earn this respect every day.
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I’m not saying you or it are wrong. I said I don’t like it 🤨 ( perhaps I am a petty little guy who can’t face reality of over paying and for that reason I shall lick my wounds and repeat that seeing what prices are broke my heart)
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Mitch, That is incredible. Would love to hear the details of your story. We get calls fairly regularly from estate attorneys and the like for similar reasons.
I would LOVE to do a price guide for U.S. Philippine issues. Patrick Perez and I both love these, as you know and we do have some pricing for them online, but I'm sure it could be improved. Here's a link to the Pesos, which we did adjust for the recent Heritage auction results, which were amazing, but not unfounded, as you say.
Of course I remember Justin. I will never forget that 94-s dime transaction. Please tell him to contact me so we can discuss US-Philippine pricing in some detail.
Thanks again,
John
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sounds like a good reason to subscribe for future purchases!
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You are allowed, even encouraged, to "overpay" if that coin really speaks to you. Guides are just that, guides not bibles.
I'm not sure what more people want. For U.S. material and a few other things, there is no better, more current, more comprehensive price GUIDE out there. I emphasize "guide" because that is what it is. There are times when exceptional coins will sell for well over guide and times that sub-par coins will sell for under guide. But used properly with a critical eye, there is not better resource for buying and selling.
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Though I let my subscription lapse just a couple of years back, as my collecting went into a dormant period, I’m seriously considering signing up again now that I’m back in the saddle.
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The irony to me about the greysheet now is with @JohnF coming from a dealership who specialized and still specializes to a degree in the Barber series is how out of touch the GS prices are vrs the actual market. Don't get me wrong! I hope you continue to do so! Perhaps you should indicate how bifurcated the market for these are...non-original(but acceptable to the TPG's now which are not to me!) vrs. the nice original coins.
I suppose this perception is ironic, but you have responded to your own keen observation. The fact is, whether we're talking about Barbers, Seated, or Bust material, the tiny number of truly original pieces for many issues simply cannot be priced accurately in a "guide" (agreeing here with jmlanzaf).
The majority of circulated Barber coins that are deemed market acceptable dominate the available coins in the market, and thus we reflect pricing for those. "Choice original" examples are worthy of a serious premium, and are often so scarce relative to price-guide value, that buyers will pay multiples for them. Seated dollars is a series we are often trying to keep up with in the same manner. In some cases a choice XF coin can realize more than an MS63 in auction. Does that mean we should make XF's worth more than MS63? I don't think so. We do our best to make sense of these tough situations but, again, as jmlanzaf astutely says, "guides are guides. They are not bibles."
Arm yourself with as much information as possible and buy coins you love!
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How do you cover your expenses when buying at greysheet and selling for greysheet?
who needs a GS? BU for the win. Prices online 24/7/365 and liquid too. You wouldn't believe it, but some of these modern mint BU are pretty and have good stories too. OK... have at me for OT and poor room reading. I can take it.
Had been to a coin show this past Saturday and picked up a copy of the CPG Market Review (2022 Jan/Feb/Mar Vol. V No. 1) that was being distributed at the entrance.
The price guide suggested the Barber halves to be 3080.00 USD for a full set of 73 in G4 (on page 52).
I am going to only use eBay as the reference because that site has them listed for all sort of crazy prices.....
$2,175.00 for a buy it now, realized for Barber Half Dollar Full Set,1892-1915,All 73 Coins in the Sold listing of https://www.ebay.com/itm/255344809370
There was a buy it now listing last week for 1700 USD that i cannot seem to find right now.
Then there is one bid at US $1,299.00 for Complete Set Of Barber Half Dollars 73 Coins Includined Lower Grade Set 1892 O S
https://www.ebay.com/itm/393949426535
Bidding starts at US $2,350.00 with zero bidders for 1892-1915 Barber Half Dollar Set Complete 73 Coin Dansco AG G Set
https://www.ebay.com/itm/393949365154
There really seems to be no consistency
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/quarters/PCGS-2020-quarter-quest/album/247091
There is a "bid" and an "ask". Buy around "bid" and sell around "ask".
How many AG coins in those sets? Really hard to determine the aggregate price for a raw set.
Very similar to those in my collection and hence the curiosity to find ideal pricing (see pics at https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/13181489#Comment_13181489 )
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/quarters/PCGS-2020-quarter-quest/album/247091
I do like your answer. There are just a ton of dates that are well off the mark. I understand a lot of that could be because there is little trading info available to you. A recent coin that stands out to me was the AU53 1901-S Quarter your former dealership purchased. It was the AU53 that sold at Great Collections. The hammer price was over $44,000.00 with the juice a little over a year ago. It was then listed on their website for $57,500.00! AU58 Bid is only $34,000.00 in the January edition. I would pay double that for the 1 58 that's supposedly out there if it became available and it is what it purported to be. With a whopping total of 11 coins in all AU grades I would think that would change the views of what an AU is worth. Granted I have seen a couple of AU's that are dogs...but greysheet is sight seen after all!
Another great coin that the trading info would not be readily available to you is the 1901-S Half in AU58. You have AU58 bid listed at $2200. The 01-S is tougher than the 04-S. There is a total of 5 58's. I paid $13,500 for the former Don Wilis coin and he didn't pay much less than that. Northern Nevada sold one for over 12K several years ago(not the same coin). Your bid enabled me to snag a 3rd for quite the deal from another dealer who made the 5th 58. He listed it on ebay and I snagged it! I sold it for over 10K.
I'm talking about the F-AU market here. Personally I feel too many coins are terribly underrated. I could go on and on. In your defense, the majority of Barbers coming to the auction houses are the bottom tier quality wise. Anyone with any understanding of Barbers knows they don't need to fork over auction fees to sell their nicer coins. The majority do sell outside of the major auction houses. Just keep in mind you hurt some sellers who rely on your pricing when you let the bottom tier of crap drag down the bids. I'll say it again, Greysheet is Sight Seen Bid
Edit to add: After thinking I should throw this in. My train of thought spun off of this thread which is ongoing: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1071649/which-would-you-choose-to-collect-and-why-barber-half-dollars-indian-head-cents-or-both#latest
John while you are here, I have a question for you regarding Barber pricing.
Some Barbers actually appear to be overvalued in terms of their populations. It's pretty common knowledge that "CC" Morgans are very popular and thus, go for premium prices versus the other mints. The "P" Barbers are the least prized. Is there a favorite mint for Barbers among collectors which accounts for them more highly valued than their cousins.
Thank you for brining a spotlight to these two great coins. I've reviewed both coins based on public data (i.e. auction companies that participate in sharing their results to us. GC prefers not to do this so it's hard to include their sales results in our empirical analysis as wholesale buyers need to see the APRs inline with other results).
I've made adjustments to the values but nothing dramatic as I think our levels were generally in line with the current market. I think your examples make the perfect point that fussy buyers will pay virtually anything for a choice example of a rare coin. This is not what Greysheet values are intended to represent, although Greysheet-CAC values get closer in this case.
You sound like a market maker on Barber material so I would suggest to you should join us a t CDN Exchange and place your actual bids for any and all of these coins so we can reflect those bids directly into our values. In this manner we bypass Even your last line suggests "Sight Seen Bid". That's what we are looking for here. Thanks again!
John
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I've always thought that O- and S-mint Barbers were the most popular as a "rule" but times and sentiments change. At Greysheet we don't price coins based on sentiment, we use real market data. In some cases, this could mean poring over buy-price sheets from companies like Littleton, wholesale market bids and auction data.
I have over 40 years of specialized knowledge of Barbers and I've seen more change in the market sentiment over the past year or two than ever before. Especially at the high end. Buyers are realizing that coins that were previously seen as common dates are extremely scarce in top grades (i.e. P-mints) making them highly desirable for Registry collections. Conversely, the scarcer "key" mintmark issues were saved (coveted) by collectors from a much earlier time and therefore more available. Think 1901-S quarters... More available in gem than almost any other grade above VF.
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Yes.
Lol
Somehow, this thread got derailed. But the question is not so easy:
GSA or not GSA?
Slabbed or not?
Sight seen or sight unseen?
CAC or not?
Greysheet has sooo much information.
I can't see how MS64 and 65 can be that confusing?
There are multiple MS64 prices, see above
An 1884-Cc has the following prices depending on specifics:
365, 375. 390, 412.50, 429, 488, 507, 536, 558
And that ignored PL or DMPL options.
$365 to $558... should be close enough, don't you think?
But only one MS64 price and one MS65 price.
You sound like a politician...just can't give a straight answer. lol
This thread turned into a blood bath.
Some acted like I was asking for the launch codes for ICBM'S.
Lets just say never mind and call it a day.
There are collectors who only collect CC coins, especially Morgan CCs. Are there are Barber collectors with the same mindset - only collect certain mints?
In reference to top grades - JohnF made the comment "Buyers are realizing that coins that were previously seen as common dates are extremely scarce in top grades (i.e. P-mints) making them highly desirable for Registry collections."
Does the definition of top grade Barbers (P-mints for example) include MS 64s? A full MS64 Barber dime set completed over time would cost upwards of $100,000 and would normally be completed by millionaires with excess liquid funds. Of course, the even higher grades and denominations require more funds. : )
Those are ALL MS64 prices. Even if you are implying - you never say, just like a real politician - PCGS MS 64, non-GSA, non-CAC, there is still the blue, grey and retail prices.
Go with $365. The lowest price must be the safest, right?
There are mint specific collectors in any series. The "CC" thing is, however, generally a larger niche because of that whole Western mystique.
What constitutes "top grade" usually is a function of the specific year. Some coins are more common in 64 than others.
Part of the issue is absolute originality of the coins. Even an XF or AU coin that is truly original with no evidence of an old dip or something can bring a large premium over Greysheet.
Interesting. Has anyone else asked for a price on this forum? I have and got a prompt response.
One price? Yes. OP asked for 14.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
Understood, but giving away our price data free that others pay for doesn't make it right...
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If you are serious about selling your coins to a dealer, $35 for the single copy of the Greysheet makes you an educated seller. You could easily recoup more than the $35 you spent on it through skillful negotiating and the Greysheet in your hands. Greysheet says single-issue orders will be shipped within (2) business days via USPS first-class mail within the USA.
I just don't agree with collectors attempting to buy from a dealer at Greysheet bid prices. You might get lucky at an auction though....
I did not ask for MS64 or 65 non GSA or non CAC or PL or DMPL or VAM variant prices just 64 and 65 plain and simple.
But I guess that's too complicated.
I'll post some pics of a couple CC morgans I just purchased soon.
Have a good evening gentlemen....
There is NOT one number.
I swear I'm speaking English.
Again, not for argument sake but rather curiosity about the skewed data - am taking the 1883 CC and 1884 CC GSA Morgans (with box and certificate) for example.
The greysheet has the OGP at 468$ (and assumes it is the same price for MS 61 as well as the MS 62).
At the coin show this past Saturday, where the greysheet was being given out for free at the entrance and dealers were referring to it) saw the same Morgans being hawked for 360$ a piece.
I had picked them up a year ago at the local LCS for 200$ each (price being the sole motivation for the purchase) because had also seen it at another store for 225$.
What gives?
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/quarters/PCGS-2020-quarter-quest/album/247091