@Zoins said:
Amazing! I love how the acrylic model has a face on it.
I wonder if the model is a pattern design because I don't recall a face on the prototype coins, such as the photo on the certificate.
There is a hint of the face on the actual struck piece, but no where near as deep and well defined as on the model.
As I recall (and I might be wrong) the Chinese fakes of the prototype coin have the defined face. I wonder if they had access to the early prototype. 🤔
@Zoins said:
Amazing! I love how the acrylic model has a face on it.
I wonder if the model is a pattern design because I don't recall a face on the prototype coins, such as the photo on the certificate.
There is a hint of the face on the actual struck piece, but no where near as deep and well defined as on the model.
As I recall (and I might be wrong) the Chinese fakes of the prototype coin have the defined face. I wonder if they had access to the early prototype. 🤔
Interesting. If @dcarr chimes in maybe he can shed some more light on this.
@Zoins said:
Amazing! I love how the acrylic model has a face on it.
I wonder if the model is a pattern design because I don't recall a face on the prototype coins, such as the photo on the certificate.
There is a hint of the face on the actual struck piece, but no where near as deep and well defined as on the model.
As I recall (and I might be wrong) the Chinese fakes of the prototype coin have the defined face. I wonder if they had access to the early prototype. 🤔
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The fakes do NOT have clearly defined faces. They have "Mr. Bill" cartoon faces.
@Zoins said:
Amazing! I love how the acrylic model has a face on it.
I wonder if the model is a pattern design because I don't recall a face on the prototype coins, such as the photo on the certificate.
There is a hint of the face on the actual struck piece, but no where near as deep and well defined as on the model.
As I recall (and I might be wrong) the Chinese fakes of the prototype coin have the defined face. I wonder if they had access to the early prototype. 🤔
Interesting. If @dcarr chimes in maybe he can shed some more light on this.
The acrylic model shown was cut from the original version of the sculpt.
The visor face was reworked and made more subtle in the sculpt, prior to engraving the die.
The OP COA shows an acrylic model that appears to have the revised face.
That is the model that the die would have been made from.
At one point I determined that two of the Apollo Astronaut acrylic models existed.
I don't remember if more than that were made and destroyed.
But it appears that the two that remain have different facial details.
Note that these are from a time when I hadn't started engraving die steel directly.
The 8-inch models were used on a reduction lathe to make dies.
Around 2005 or so I started engraving directly in steel and never went back to cutting acrylic models after that.
These are the items that were produced using acrylic models:
"2001"-dated Apollo Astronaut concept dollars.
Bessie Coleman concept dollars.
Sacagawea concept dollars.
2007 Carr president parody dollars.
2007 concept President dollars (Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison).
Parody statehood quarters ("CARRter DOLLARS")
Concept state quarters (four different designs for Colorado, one each for Maine and Nevada).
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Amazing! I love how the acrylic model has a face on it.
I wonder if the model is a pattern design because I don't recall a face on the prototype coins, such as the photo on the certificate.
Nice!
Very cool!
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There is a hint of the face on the actual struck piece, but no where near as deep and well defined as on the model.
Yes, there is a very light hint. I would imagine the model was modified between the time the acrylic model was made and when the coin was struck.
It would be great to hear more from Dan @dcarr!
As I recall (and I might be wrong) the Chinese fakes of the prototype coin have the defined face. I wonder if they had access to the early prototype. 🤔
Really neat! Thanks for posting
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Interesting. If @dcarr chimes in maybe he can shed some more light on this.
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The fakes do NOT have clearly defined faces. They have "Mr. Bill" cartoon faces.
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Here is a link to Dan Carr's forgeries page.
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http://www.moonlightmint.com/fakes.htm
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That is very interesting.. The black acrylic is very impressive. Thanks for posting that. Cheers, RickO
The acrylic model shown was cut from the original version of the sculpt.
The visor face was reworked and made more subtle in the sculpt, prior to engraving the die.
The OP COA shows an acrylic model that appears to have the revised face.
That is the model that the die would have been made from.
At one point I determined that two of the Apollo Astronaut acrylic models existed.
I don't remember if more than that were made and destroyed.
But it appears that the two that remain have different facial details.
Note that these are from a time when I hadn't started engraving die steel directly.
The 8-inch models were used on a reduction lathe to make dies.
Around 2005 or so I started engraving directly in steel and never went back to cutting acrylic models after that.
These are the items that were produced using acrylic models:
"2001"-dated Apollo Astronaut concept dollars.
Bessie Coleman concept dollars.
Sacagawea concept dollars.
2007 Carr president parody dollars.
2007 concept President dollars (Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison).
Parody statehood quarters ("CARRter DOLLARS")
Concept state quarters (four different designs for Colorado, one each for Maine and Nevada).