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GTG: Hard Times Token Edition- HT-70 Grade Revealed!

NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,997 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited February 17, 2022 6:25AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Had this one for a few months now. Thought you all would like to see it. It's in an old white ANACS holder.
As far as the reverse, not sure if that's die pitting or just die deterioration you would call it?



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  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like it was struck from incredibly rusty dies? Looks unc, though. Very clean. But weak strike. MS64BN?

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  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Exactly my thougths as well. I could even see it as a 65 but probably not with the rusted dies and weak strike in that old ANACS holder.

    Tom

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, rusty dies.... but a nice token, and looks better than the label grade. Cheers, RickO

  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yikes

    Tom

  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 17, 2022 9:36AM

    I think you will have great success in submitting that to one of the major TPGs. Likely, the worn die was taken as wear on the high points of your token.

    This is clearly undergraded.

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  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,997 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 17, 2022 9:52AM

    @DCW said:
    I think you will have great success in submitting that to one of the major TPGs. Likely, the worn die was taken as wear on the high points of your token.

    This is clearly undergraded.

    I agree, I could see it in atleast a MS64 BN holder. I just prefer to leave it in the old white holder. Thanks!

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    does cac do at least the older anacs/ana and/or other older holders?

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  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DCW said:
    I think you will have great success in submitting that to one of the major TPGs. Likely, the worn die was taken as wear on the high points of your token.

    This is clearly undergraded.

    AGREED!

    Frank

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  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:
    does cac do at least the older anacs/ana and/or other older holders?

    I dont think they sticker exonumia. Though, I want to say I've seen a Feughtwanger Cent CAC'd?

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,997 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 17, 2022 11:38AM

    They were overly conservative on that one. It was struck from rusty dies, but that should not effect the grade on piece that is lower than say MS-65 or 66.

    Here are couple more HT-70, Low-51 tokens.

    This one raw. My grade is AU-58


    NGC graded this one MS-64. Taking pictures of it in the holder has been a challenge for me. Here's another view of it.


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  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bill, wow those are nice examples too!
    The one you grade AU58 I think would grade higher.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's been my experience that the Low 51, HT-70 is one of the most common varieties. In his two volume "History of the United States," Samuel Elliot Morrison claimed that it was the origin of the Democratic Party donkey symbol.

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