Crossover Report- Five Proof CBH
Floridafacelifter
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I really enjoy proof CBH- I’m attracted to their beauty, variety and incredible rarity. I currently have 11 of these coins, 8 of which are finest known, another two are finest cameo known, and the final one is an 1838-O PF63 CAC.
Five are/were in NGC holders and at the FUN show I dropped them off for crossover. I thought it would be fun to share my results. I submitted the paperwork to cross at any grade, but stipulated they must be called proof, not mint state.
Coins were shipped back to me on Jan. 20 and the TrueViews came out today.
First the bad news- 3 Did Not Cross:
1818 O-113 PF66 Earle-Clapp-Eliasberg
Mintage 5 / PCGS pop 2
1821 PF64 Pittman
Mintage 5 / PCGS pop 0
1839-O PF65 Robison-Queller
Mintage 4? / PCGS pop 0
I believe these three coins are absolutely proof strikings, and so rare that my 1818 AND 1839-O are even the CoinFacts coins featured in the app with estimated grades (but yet didn’t cross- go figure!). Here are screenshots of my coins in the app:
And for completeness sake here is an amateur pic of the third coin that did not cross:
So those will have to go back for another try on another day.
Now moving on to the good news- 2 coins crossed at the same grade:
1825 PF66 Green-Newman-Pogue
Mintage 8 / PCGS pop 2
Finest known by four grades
Only one other coin certified by PCGS- as a PR62- and the same coin represents both entries at that grade level
As submitted to PCGS:
And the new TrueView:
1831 PF65 Chapman-Allenburger-Pittman
Mintage 8 / PCGS pop 4
Tied for finest known
As submitted to PCGS:
And the new TrueView:
I’m very happy with the results from my first try to cross these coins- I’ve had some of these coins ten years or more and now I can add them to my Registry sets.
Comments
So, at the risk of stating the obvious; PCGS opined that your first 3 coins were MS in lieu of proof? Yet the first two are represented in Coin Facts as proof. Am I following that correctly? Thanks.
Yes- I wasn’t given any reason why they did not cross. I assume I just got the wrong grader on the wrong day and need to try again.
Very nice coins, thanks for sharing! Definitely not my series so I don’t know much about these coins, but the three that didn’t cross look just as likely to be proof as the other two. Good luck with the resubmission!
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Thank you- regarding the Eliasberg 1818, according to HA:
“This piece has been accepted as one of the few legitimate proofs since 1912, when Henry Chapman described it as: "Wide date. Proof. Short hairline scratch at throat. Sharp, even impression. Excessively rare."
Chapman sold it as part of the George H. Earle Collection in June of 1912 for a whopping $5.75
Stunning CBH's. I'd love to seen one in person some day.
I don't have a comment of any value regarding the three that did not cross.
But I'm glad you specified to not cross them as MS. That was wise.
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Those are exceptional coins! It seems that they don’t consider any 39-Os as proofs, but rather as SP strikes. I remember from the Pogue sale that some coins stayed in NGC holders because PCGS wouldn’t call them proofs. I guess the services just disagree for certain dates. Also, I like the slab view of the 1831 better than the True View. It really shows the cameo contrast.
Absolutely Stunning examples ... the 25-113 from the Newman Collection just a superlative example!
The only one that didn't cross that I don't really scratch my head over is the 39-O ... only because, as mentioned, I think the only way PCGS slabs that is as a SP coin.
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I would be happy with an SP designation on the 39-0. In fact I’ll note that on the next submission. Thanks for your thoughts.
And I agree the ‘31 should hopefully Cameo one day.
Thanks for reporting your results. For those that did cross, did you retain their provenance on the new holders?
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I sure did- I’m very much into provenance. I know many here say they don’t care, but I enjoy researching the coins and knowing where they’ve been. Some of my favorites- Garrett, Brand, Atwater, Norweb, Pittman, and Eliasberg.
Thank you for sharing your wonderful coins!
Just out of curiosity, do you have, and can you post, the pcgs labels for the three that didn’t cross?
I don’t have them but they just said DNC, no other clues to why
The number on the label where the grade would be will tell you why they did not cross. The number will be in the 80's or 90's.
Great thanks I’ll check them when I take them out again
@Floridafacelifter. Those are absolutely fabulous proofs. I also collect CBH's, but only MS's not Proofs. Congratulations on a what appears to a fabulous set of 11 proofs.
BTW, I agree with your point about the fun of researching and maintaining the provenance. My personal opinion is that if you are in the hobby, you likely have respect for and appreciation of history. Provenance is just one small piece of history.
Thank you! Here’s a link with all 8 PCGS coins:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/half-dollars/early-half-dollars-specialty-sets/capped-bust-half-dollars-complete-variety-set-proof-1817-1839/alltimeset/209416
Great coins, thanks for posting them along with the results. That 1825 is lovely!
WOW with honorable mention to the 1825 above
Thank you- I got that 1836 in a Heritage auction and it has that highly reflective orange glow in hand as well!
@Floridafacelifter... That 1831 is just a stunning coin.... Cheers, RickO
Wow what incredible (and RARE) coins you have absolutely love the path you've gone down collecting these.
Man, those TV's really make proofs pop!
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