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1909 Indian 1c. Would this be considered Red?

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  • JonBrand83JonBrand83 Posts: 488 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 10, 2022 6:36PM

    Close but I think it will get an rb due to the dark spots. That said in general I think it looks more like a red coin.

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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From the photos I think RB, the obverse is the hold up imo.

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  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,245 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The pictures make it a bit tough. A “red” coin can be RB if the color is a bit muted, and to me, the coin looks like that may be the case. Add in the spotting and perhaps darker fields in front of the bust and I think it may well be RB.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,453 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If the color in the photos is correct I would say that it was dipped long ago and not properly washed.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,688 ✭✭✭✭✭

    RB is judged straight on

    RB

    when posting pics take the coin out of the plastic flip

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It seems somewhat borderline but I think RB due to the spots.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,328 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It would either be R&B or a poor red because of the spots. I would vote red, but it might lower the numeric grade.

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 9,045 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm not absolutely sure, but I think I read that PCGS grades a coin red if it maintains 95% of it's original Mint color??. So according to that i agree with RB

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks to me like RB, but close, and judging from pictures (i.e. lighting, angle) makes it really tough. Cheers, RickO

  • KtpKtp Posts: 68 ✭✭

    Here are photos next to a red wheat cent. Not sure if it

    is comparable to wheat cent as far as color.

  • KtpKtp Posts: 68 ✭✭

    @ricko how

    about compared to a red wheat cent

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ktp... It looks about the same in those pictures.... Lighting in pictures can be tricky.... The pictures are good, just not sure how the graders will see it 'in hand'. Cheers, RickO

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,107 ✭✭✭✭✭

    IDK, an awful lot of carbon spots on the obv. Rev looks nicer. Peace Roy

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,420 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Close call but it will probably get the RD designation. Please let us know what it grades.

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  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,854 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am in the RED camp also.

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  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,458 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Red


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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    if submitted, i think there is at least a chance at QC. looks a bit pink to me from the pics. in-hand may be different.

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,494 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it as RED better than RED/BROWN.

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  • KtpKtp Posts: 68 ✭✭

    @LanceNewmanOCC
    What does QC mean? Cleaned?

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ktp said:
    @LanceNewmanOCC
    What does QC mean? Cleaned?

    .
    questionable color. sometimes copper coins are dipped or otherwise altered to make them appear more red but this usually results in either a little or a lot of pink color which is what the coins look like when they were minted but when altered to look like this it doesn't come out looking natural. sometimes this is done to deceive, sometimes not. i'm not saying 100% here but it has that look to me FROM the pics provided. more then obv than the rev. but it could be ok too.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,420 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ktp said:
    @LanceNewmanOCC
    What does QC mean? Cleaned?

    Questionable Color

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  • KtpKtp Posts: 68 ✭✭

    @LanceNewmanOCC thanks for the explanation.
    it was in a small plastic sleeve used in cigarette machines. They stapled change to a pack of cigs. It was part of my grandfathers collection who was in the vending machine business way back when. I will send it in to Pcgs just for fun. I will keep you posted.

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ktp said:
    @LanceNewmanOCC thanks for the explanation.
    it was in a small plastic sleeve used in cigarette machines. They stapled change to a pack of cigs. It was part of my grandfathers collection who was in the vending machine business way back when. I will send it in to Pcgs just for fun. I will keep you posted.

    .
    it is advisable to send a few coins at a time to reduce cost per-coin. but have fun and let us know how it turns out. :)

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