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Opinion on a scratch on a 92-o Morgan

jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited February 2, 2022 7:27PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Just looking for a couple of opinions on this scratch that's on a 92-o Morgan that came in recently. IMO, the scratch is too bad to garner a straight grade. It would bring far more money if holdered, but I dont want to waste the time especially as slow as it is getting coins holdered, just to have a holder that says UNC details / scratched. any opinions appreciated

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  • david3142david3142 Posts: 3,565 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don’t know if the scratch would prevent a straight grade but the cheek looks cleaned to me.

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thats a pretty long scratch. Is it deep or is is more like a scrape? Im guessing it would details due to the size of the scratch.

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  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,850 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Too big and too fresh looking of a scratch.

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  • CocoinutCocoinut Posts: 2,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with your assessment: Unc details, scratch.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,454 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Highly visible. It belongs in a "genuine" holder.

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  • HigashiyamaHigashiyama Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If it did straight grade, what grade would you give it? Maybe 63? Aesthetically, the coin is as attractive as typical bag marked Morgans in the 62 - 63 range.

    Can you comment on @david3142's observation about the cheek? Is something going on there?

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  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Scratched and wiped. Would be a 61 or 62 tops in my book.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Likely a details grade... plus the scratches on the cheek - directional... Looks as if it were in an album with the sliding mylar inserts..... Those are supposed to protect the coins, but they produce those scratches on the high points. Cheers, RickO

  • coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Unfortunate, nice strike and good luster. Not sure if wiped/cleaned vs just plain circulation rub. Maybe slid across the bar paying for a round or two. If not for the scratch, I would give it an AU58.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would want to see that coin in hand. If it seemingly blends as well in hand as it does in the picture, and is light, I think it would have a good chance. I had to study the pic a bit to see it! There are surely coins with worse scratches than that that have passed.

  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,009 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Might be worth slabbing anyway. In my experience (on ebay), UNC details Morgans sell for roughly half of straight graded ones, whereas if it was raw, it might only go for AU money.

  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 3, 2022 10:36AM

    TB it to get the newness off the scratch then you may have a chance. But tell me can you live with doing it?



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  • HigashiyamaHigashiyama Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭✭✭

    By the way, I'm not sure if we can accurately assess the "newness" of the scratch. If stored in that 2x2 and in a dry environment, I'd guess that the coin won't look much different 50 years from now.

    Higashiyama
  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭✭

    Dunno about whether or not the scratch will prevent a straight-grade, but to set the record straight: the hairlines on that cheek are not from wiping, just light circulation.

    The hairlines are generally pointing in the same direction, but are not uniformly distributed in terms of their angle, length, or curvature. All of those factors point to it being an errant brush with some fabric or other abrasive material, rather than an intentional wipe.

    Obviously not enough to make it "AU", but clearly has seen some handling at one point.

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,882 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Genuine, Cleaned, Scratched, AU Details.
    I would say that could be a staple scratch.
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  • barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,156 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hi Jim, I'd guess no, but you never know in the California casino. If it was on the reverse, I'd guess yes.

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  • vplite99vplite99 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When you look at the coin your eye goes straight to the scratch. Details.

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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,088 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No grade on that one. Ask yourself, "If I bought this coin as an MS61 sight unseen, then looked at the coin and saw the scratch, would I send it back?"

  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm in the no dice camp, I know I would not buy it in a straight grade holder.

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,157 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The enlarged photo doesn't show metal moved or turned up like I would expect with a staple or metal scratch. Even looks like it might be ink. Not a great scratch detector, obviously. lol
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  • moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jesbroken said:
    The enlarged photo doesn't show metal moved or turned up like I would expect with a staple or metal scratch. Even looks like it might be ink. Not a great scratch detector, obviously. lol
    Jim

    But on the hair highpoints, the scratch has blunted the metal.

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  • HigashiyamaHigashiyama Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In any case, though highly visible, it is extremely superficial as scratches go.

    I obviously like the coin better than most. If I were in the market, I think it would be a great deal at an AU price.

    Higashiyama
  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,157 ✭✭✭✭✭

    BTW, is that a die crack or a scratch from the corner of the mouth across the cheek. Such a well preserved smooth cheek for a Morgan.
    Jim


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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 3, 2022 5:29PM

    if i bought it from a pawn shop for 30-40, given it is a solid unc and i already had the pcgs membership and some other coins to go along, i'd send it but pretty much only under those circumstances, otherwise the risk/reward ratio is unacceptable.

    although ,i've sold some seriously damaged coins on the bay before for better dates and had happy buyers. c'est la vie

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭✭✭

    does not look like a typical scratch - I would soak in acetone, roll cotton tip

    just to check if not pencil or pen

  • air4mdcair4mdc Posts: 933 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree , not a typical scratch. Possibly ink or something. High points are not damaged along the vector, in hand would allow a better opinion.

  • coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like the item in question went up thru Liberty in the first photo. Is there a close up photo on that section, might help.

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