What the heck, high shipping cost on cheap ebay coin.
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I hate that! 
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Holy crap - 60 day returns ???
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That's the reason ebay started charging fees to include S/H fees. People were selling $20 items for $1 and having $19 S/H without paying the ebay fees. Now they just do it because many people get so excited over the auction price they don't notice the S/H until after the sale and many don't complain out of embarrassment. At least that's my understanding.
Jim
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I didn't bother to look, but I suspect the buyer eats the shipping on the return as well... Besides, with that shipping cost, they already have a healthy restocking fee...
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even though those that do a good job will have a very low/nil return rate, i STILL don't like anything over the 14 days, except for high-end items, especially where electronics are concerned but for idk, 90% of items, how is 14 days not enough? i have recently switched all my listings back to that despite ebays continual messages "encouraging" me to switch to 30 days. i get the customer confidence thing and all but i have always thought it was asinine, i think it now and will always.
my 2c
as for the OP, people are still doing that high shipping rate with a lower bin/auction price (i still see it regularly) and it probably does help with search results and whatnot but i can say it has never swayed me to buy their items and more than anyone elses despite its search placement. in fact, i think the items i prefer to buy the most, are the ones that turn up AFTER i do my initial search and page clicks and if i don't wait long enough, it never fails, right after i buy the item(s) i want, i look around on the cross-referenced items at the top and bottom and sides of pages and ultimately see a much better deal from someone else i would buy from. just happened again recently on some ink cartridges i bought. finally found one for around $16 (others from 25-45, but right after i paid, i saw a recommended item 2 for $22 (nib obo). that one stung. i didn't check expiration dates though. i've never had a problem with that yet that i recall.
Being a buyer only
1) I first look at the coin and grade in its holder
2) I examine the entire holder for defects
3) I look to see who is selling it and their feedback
4) I check the shipping fee
5) If I am happy with #1 thru #4, I check the cert# for verification that the coin is legit and PCGS's price guide
Only then will I submit a bid or make a purchase offer on a BIN
After time this has become a routine that I don't even think about when I do it
Wayne
Kennedys are my quest...
Yes but what fun is having to do all off that when you can impulse buy and roll the dice...!!
I have never thought about what anyone sez is their return policy when I purchase on eBay. eBay has a return policy and I have never had a problem, the few returns I’ve made. The dang US Mint , now there’s a return fiasco for you.
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I have always felt sellers like this were trying to "catch" bidders who ignore the shipping charged.
And for BIN items, they can be magnanimous and give you a 5% discount or whatever, but there's no discount on the stratospheric shipping charge.
If a coin is legitimately grossly misrepresented then yes, eBay has a way to force a return. If you just don’t like something as much as you hoped and use eBay to force a return, you have no integrity.
Best shipping price for graded/PCGS/MS-69/70/PR-69/70 Siriussportsauction On Ebay shipping $4.00 for the first coin you buy, Then goes down too .15 YES fifteen cents for every coin you buy after the fist coin and you can buy up too 40 coins in a order.I live on the west coast, For those price {AS LOW AS $3.80} I will set my alarm for 4:00 A.M.
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I don't care what the shipping fee is. I look at the total cost and then decide if I want to buy a coin or not.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I agree with @PerryHall ... I look at the total picture ... In my case, it is not coins I am buying on ebay... so shipping may be expensive due to the size/weight of the item. Cheers, RickO
All my listings are free shipping. How dare you charge $4?
Reminds me of a joke ... ah, but the punchline would get me banned. Moving on.
Absolutely. Note I said the few returns. My point is the same as yours. For a proper reason there is a way to return. ( force sounds a little negative, especially if there’s a legitimate problem). 👍🏼
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I say force because your wording--even with "few" mentioned--doesn't indicate when you return things. As a seller I've dealt with enough buyers who force (yes, force) returns to be at my cost (even when I allow them at their cost) due to "issues" that are clearly described and/or seen in photos. I don't care if those buyers only do it a few times if one of those times is with me. If you were to say that you don't care about return policies because you know you're covered if the item is badly misdescribed, and otherwise you'll keep an item even if you don't like it in hand, then no problem from me. If you don't care about the lack of a return policy because eBay lets a buyer claim whatever they want and make it the seller's problem, that's a big problem in my eyes.
Ok. I’m with you. Consignment buyers looking to flip or return are even worse, and other problems as well.
I’m at peace with my personal eBay life and understand the potential for evil just about everywhere.
eBay provides some degree of safety for buyers.
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.> @PerryHall said:
If you were keeping careful track of how much you paid for each coin, would you include the excessive shipping fee in the cost?
Not being a tax expert of ANY kind, I wonder if by selling low and charging high S/H they get away with low margins for taxes and charge off the S/H. I would imagine that Ebay provides them with a yearly chart of sales and S/H fees they received. As I said, not sure of this, but a possibility as it happens way to frequent for the last few years. Make sure all understand that I am NOT recommending such a practice, just that it may being attempted.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
I would include shipping and any taxes in the total cost of a coin.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
No, because the IRS doesn't care. The IRS sees your profit as (sale price + shipping charged)-(item cost + actual shipping costs [postage and supplies] + selling fees). Anything you make on shipping is income in their eyes. (And yes, there can be more to that equation if you want to get into more detail about how business expenses are tracked, but for a simple example, it's correct).
Your cost is the full amount you paid. If someone gives you a coin for free but charges you $100 for shipping, it's no different than if they sell you the coin for $100 with free shipping, or $50+$50. You spent $100 to get the coin, and thus your cost is $100.
True! But its a bit of deception. "Buy it now" price should include shipping, but it doesn't. Blame EBay.
Some sellers offer more than one shipping option to the buyer. How could eBay include an amount that varies?
I have no problem with them being separate. The total cost is shown before you complete the sale, and buyers should be capable of adding two numbers if they want to figure it out ahead of time. There are plenty of reasons to separate shipping instead of having the price include free shipping. I'll give two that I use. First, if someone returns an item without making a SNAD claim, I don't refund shipping. I can't help it if they're not honest, but if they are, the only way I can avoid refunding shipping is if I charge it in the first place. Second, I sell on consignment and the shipping costs go to me; it's a bookkeeping number to try and break them out from the item price if I have free shipping. Oh, and if you buy multiple items from me, you'll get a shipping discount... you wouldn't get that if each item had "free" shipping baked into the price.
There are sellers and then there are other sellers.....
A recent transaction for a CAN 10 cent silver coin bought from a seller in the USA. it was a test buy to find out if I can bid on a , to the seller unknown", 4K coin he had for sale.(turned out it was not after some detective work)
perfect pictures were posted... flawless dime, a 1998 beauty.
BIN price 2.98 + shipping $ .99 (ninety nine cents). I bought and paid.
the coin that arrived was a very nice coin, but not the coin I purchased.
A small note to him and he immediately refunded all costs and told me to keep the coin.
He is one seller who does not rip off anyone on postage....
It can backfire on him if the buyer is a crook..... like not received via letter mail and NO insurance... this seller trusts his buyers and they trust him.
Now, you can translate mt experience in to the op post any way you wish and have your own thoughts about it.
check him out......I already gave him pos feedback....
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/284401558466?hash=item4237a763c2:g:VzgAAOSw1QxfuYnS
Of course. As well as sales tax, buyer's premiums and any other cost associated with the purchase. Cost is total cost.
That's why it is important to have trusted sellers (and buyers). It is also why good sellers don't complain about little inconveniences and treat them as a cost of doing business.
Just this week, I sold a stamp with $30 catalog value for $6.79 (free shipping). There was a tiny paper thin that I missed which the buyer noticed. He emailed me to let me know but said he was keeping it because it was such a beautiful example of the stamp and there was no need for me to do anything.
I refunded him the full price of the purchase because, after all, I had missed the small defect.
He responded that the refund was completely unnecessary and was there anything he could do for ME.
I said, "No thank you. It was my oversight and I appreciate you bringing it to my attention."
He responded that he would put me on his "trusted seller" list and thanked me profusely.
For the low, low price of $6.79, I have a customer that I can trust, as he treated me respectfully, and who trusts me in return.
That's why it irks me a little when some people here complain about non-paying bidders (costs you nothing) or the occasional return (costs very little) that eBay "forces" on you. We want it as buyers so we should offer it as sellers. You may not consider yourself a business, but you should act as though you are a professional.
I always record the entire cost of a coin in my registry inventories.
I do deduct the amount that I apply when I use eBucks towards the purchase of a coin.
If a coin costs me $50.00 after all taxes and shipping costs and I use $10.00 of eBucks toward it, my recorded price is $40.00.
Wayne
Kennedys are my quest...
NPBs: I have had many instances where relisting a coin after an NPB results in a significant price reduction, and bidders from the first listing don't return (it's not just the result of the original top bidder not placing that top bid). Over the last few months I had a guy registering multiple new accounts to keep buying and not paying for the same couple of items. With a TON of work on my part I finally got the auctions to go through without him winning anything, but all told the final sales prices for 4 items were around $300-400 less than if he had just not bid the first time around, all the while buyers keep seeing me selling items to a 0-feedback bidder and then relisting. That makes me look bad.
Returns: if I screw up, I'll be the first to offer to cover all a buyer's expenses to return an item even without a SNAD being filed, because it's the right thing to do. But when I allow for returns if you don't like an item with the stipulation that you pay shipping, why should I be out the shipping anyway? Like that buyer who filed a SNAD because a paper note had a pinhole in the middle, and my description said it had a pinhole right in the eye (which is smack in the middle of the note). I don't care that he wanted to return it, but I do care that the way he went about doing so cost me 65% of my commission, not to mention I then had to take the time to relist and do the sale again.
And would you buy a coin from someone who didn't offer returns?
As for NPBs, of which I have very few, isn't it natural that the auction results would be lower without him? And wouldn't it have also been lower the first time without him?
I myself learned this several years ago on eBay. Got burned a couple times due to not checking the S & H costs. I reached out to one seller about his high S & H costs. " My time in packaging and driving it to the P.O. is worth money. " Understand that but $ 12 to $ 15 on an item marked as postage $ 1.74. Needless to say I don't deal with this individual.
But I DO accept returns. I expect my buyers to have the integrity to follow my return policy if they want to use it. If I make a mistake buying an item, or otherwise don't like it through no fault of the seller, I'm not going to play any games to weasel out of paying the cost of the return. I complain that eBay enables buyers to bypass a stated policy just because they feel like it.
On the NPB front, I already answered your question in what I originally wrote. Looking at the bid history, numerous participants from the original sale (and then the first relist...) didn't come back to bid again. If the original NPB had simply never existed, the original listing would have closed higher than the first relist, which was higher than the second relist. Even if the original sale price would have been less than what it was with the bad buyer winning, that would have still been higher than what it eventually got, not to mention it wouldn't have taken me three months and hours on the phone with eBay and other work on the side to get the sale to go through. Even when an NPB doesn't come back to play games, they cost me at least 2 weeks and extra headaches on the bookkeeping side. Not only do they often cost me actual money, they cost me time, too. So your premise that they don't cost anything doesn't hold up at all.
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