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Brian Flores Suing NFL and New York Giants

TabeTabe Posts: 6,061 ✭✭✭✭✭

Flores is alleging racial discrimination in hiring/firing decisions and is suing the NFL and the New York Giants. The tweet linked below has a link to his full lawsuit. Among the allegations:

  • he claims Bill Belichick told him the Giants were hiring Brian Daboll 3 days before Flores was due to interview with the Giants
  • he claims Dolphins owner Stephen Ross offered him $100,000 per loss to tank during the 2019 season and became upset when the team won instead

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  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,006 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This sounds like a quick way to get blackballed by the league(no pun intended.)

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,006 ✭✭✭✭✭

    https://boston.cbslocal.com/2022/02/01/bill-belichick-accidental-text-message-brian-flores-racial-discrimination-lawsuit-giants-brian-daboll-hiring/

    BOSTON (CBS) — Bill Belichick texted the wrong Brian to congratulate him for getting the Giants’ head coaching a job, according to a lawsuit filed by former Dolphins head coach and former Patriots assistant coach Brian Flores.

    The lawsuit showed text messages of Belichick sending congratulations to Flores for landing the Giants job on Jan. 24. That text was sent two days prior to Flores actually interviewing for the job.

    After Flores initially appeared confused by the text message, he asked Belichick, “Coach, are you talking to Brian Flores or Brian Daboll. Just making sure.”

    Belichick replied: “Sorry – I f—ed this up. I double checked & I misread the text. I think they are naming Daboll. I’m sorry about that. BB”

    The lawsuit alleges that Flores was then “forced to sit throug a dinner with Joe Schoen, the Giant’s [sic] new General Manager, knowing that the Giants had already selected Mr. Daboll. Much worse, on Thursday, January 27, 2022, Mr. Flores had to give an extensive interview for a job that he already knew he would not get — an interview that was held for no reason other than for the Giants to demonstrate falsely to the League Commissioner Roger Goodell and the public at large that it was in compliance with the Rooney rule.”

    Good job Bill!

  • Alfonz24Alfonz24 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Total Cluster.

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 1, 2022 2:50PM

    @erikthredd said:
    https://boston.cbslocal.com/2022/02/01/bill-belichick-accidental-text-message-brian-flores-racial-discrimination-lawsuit-giants-brian-daboll-hiring/

    BOSTON (CBS) — Bill Belichick texted the wrong Brian to congratulate him for getting the Giants’ head coaching a job, according to a lawsuit filed by former Dolphins head coach and former Patriots assistant coach Brian Flores.

    The lawsuit showed text messages of Belichick sending congratulations to Flores for landing the Giants job on Jan. 24. That text was sent two days prior to Flores actually interviewing for the job.

    After Flores initially appeared confused by the text message, he asked Belichick, “Coach, are you talking to Brian Flores or Brian Daboll. Just making sure.”

    Belichick replied: “Sorry – I f—ed this up. I double checked & I misread the text. I think they are naming Daboll. I’m sorry about that. BB”

    The lawsuit alleges that Flores was then “forced to sit throug a dinner with Joe Schoen, the Giant’s [sic] new General Manager, knowing that the Giants had already selected Mr. Daboll. Much worse, on Thursday, January 27, 2022, Mr. Flores had to give an extensive interview for a job that he already knew he would not get — an interview that was held for no reason other than for the Giants to demonstrate falsely to the League Commissioner Roger Goodell and the public at large that it was in compliance with the Rooney rule.”

    Good job Bill!

    I've done something stupid like this in the past. It's not a great feeling

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  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,006 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Justacommeman said:

    @erikthredd said:
    https://boston.cbslocal.com/2022/02/01/bill-belichick-accidental-text-message-brian-flores-racial-discrimination-lawsuit-giants-brian-daboll-hiring/

    BOSTON (CBS) — Bill Belichick texted the wrong Brian to congratulate him for getting the Giants’ head coaching a job, according to a lawsuit filed by former Dolphins head coach and former Patriots assistant coach Brian Flores.

    The lawsuit showed text messages of Belichick sending congratulations to Flores for landing the Giants job on Jan. 24. That text was sent two days prior to Flores actually interviewing for the job.

    After Flores initially appeared confused by the text message, he asked Belichick, “Coach, are you talking to Brian Flores or Brian Daboll. Just making sure.”

    Belichick replied: “Sorry – I f—ed this up. I double checked & I misread the text. I think they are naming Daboll. I’m sorry about that. BB”

    The lawsuit alleges that Flores was then “forced to sit throug a dinner with Joe Schoen, the Giant’s [sic] new General Manager, knowing that the Giants had already selected Mr. Daboll. Much worse, on Thursday, January 27, 2022, Mr. Flores had to give an extensive interview for a job that he already knew he would not get — an interview that was held for no reason other than for the Giants to demonstrate falsely to the League Commissioner Roger Goodell and the public at large that it was in compliance with the Rooney rule.”

    Good job Bill!

    I've done something stupid like this is the past. It's not a great feeling

    m

    Never send the wife a text meant for the side piece. B)

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:

    @Justacommeman said:

    @erikthredd said:
    https://boston.cbslocal.com/2022/02/01/bill-belichick-accidental-text-message-brian-flores-racial-discrimination-lawsuit-giants-brian-daboll-hiring/

    BOSTON (CBS) — Bill Belichick texted the wrong Brian to congratulate him for getting the Giants’ head coaching a job, according to a lawsuit filed by former Dolphins head coach and former Patriots assistant coach Brian Flores.

    The lawsuit showed text messages of Belichick sending congratulations to Flores for landing the Giants job on Jan. 24. That text was sent two days prior to Flores actually interviewing for the job.

    After Flores initially appeared confused by the text message, he asked Belichick, “Coach, are you talking to Brian Flores or Brian Daboll. Just making sure.”

    Belichick replied: “Sorry – I f—ed this up. I double checked & I misread the text. I think they are naming Daboll. I’m sorry about that. BB”

    The lawsuit alleges that Flores was then “forced to sit throug a dinner with Joe Schoen, the Giant’s [sic] new General Manager, knowing that the Giants had already selected Mr. Daboll. Much worse, on Thursday, January 27, 2022, Mr. Flores had to give an extensive interview for a job that he already knew he would not get — an interview that was held for no reason other than for the Giants to demonstrate falsely to the League Commissioner Roger Goodell and the public at large that it was in compliance with the Rooney rule.”

    Good job Bill!

    I've done something stupid like this is the past. It's not a great feeling

    m

    Never send the wife a text meant for the side piece. B)

    And vice a versa

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  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is the kind of thing the Rooney Rule causes. If the Giants want to hire Daboll, they should be allowed to hire him. Forcing them to interview a black candidate when they know they want Daboll just wastes both parties’ time.

  • thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    WOW!

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 23,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Brian Flores has now leveled allegations against John Elway and other Broncos officials. He said John Elway and other Broncos officials showed up an hour late to interview him and that John Elway the other Broncos officials were basically half drunk and gave him a sham interview and hired Vic Fangio.

    NFL world discussing John Elway & Denver Broncos allegations

    Brian Flores dropped a bombshell on the NFL on Tuesday, filing a class-action lawsuit accusing the New York Giants and the rest of the league of racial discrimination in their hiring practices.

    The most shocking parts of the lawsuit involved allegations that the Giants had already decided to hire Brian Daboll before interviewing Flores and that Dolphins owner Stephen Ross offered him $100,000 per loss in 2019 in order to tank on purpose.

    However, the Denver Broncos and John Elway also get namechecked in the lawsuit over an interview that Flores attended for their head coaching vacancy in 2019.

    “In 2019 Mr. Flores was scheduled to interview with the Denver Broncos,” read the lawsuit. “However, the Broncos’ then-General Manager, John Elway, President, and Chief Executive Officer Joe Ellis and others, showed up an hour late to the interview. They looked completely disheveled, and it was obvious that they had [been] drinking heavily the night before. It was clear from the substance of the interview that Mr. Flores was interviewed only because of the Rooney Rule, and that the Broncos never had any intention to consider him as a legitimate candidate for the job. Shortly thereafter, Vic Fangio, a white man, was hired to be the Head Coach of the Broncos.”

    That’s quite the allegation to lob in John Elway’s direction and it did not go unnoticed by social media.

    The Broncos responded to the allegations via 9News reporter Mike Klis, saying the allegations are “blatantly false.”

    There’s likely more to come on this lawsuit and the role that Broncos end up playing in it.

    The fact of the matter is that, like so many other franchises in the NFL, Denver has only had one Black head coach in its entire history (some have none) and he was fired after two seasons, less time than many other coaches have gotten (including Vic Fangio, who got three years). The issues that Flores’ lawsuit raise go far beyond one interview.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,638 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’ve got nothing good or nice to say about this so I’m going to keep my mouth shut 🤐

  • spacehaydukespacehayduke Posts: 5,742 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I admire his courage to stand up to a flawed hiring system but it probably won't do much good, NFL may lose (they also may not) but they will just find a way around it and do what they want anyway. Sad but true IMO.

    HST, my employer pulls the same thing all of the time, they talk about diversity, but then when a diverse candidate gets an interview and said candidate is of equally or better qualified, always goes to the undiverse candidate. Happens time and time again and there clearly is some bias going on here, it is just very hard to prove.

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  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @doubledragon > @galaxy27 said:

    i'm still unable to comprehend why he was jettisoned by Miami in the first place. when you go 8-1 to close out a season in the NFL and then get canned, something is up

    Well it now seems clear there was some friction between Flores and Ross, and if what Flores alleges really happened, one can understand why.

  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,061 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @galaxy27 said:
    i'm still unable to comprehend why he was jettisoned by Miami in the first place. when you go 8-1 to close out a season in the NFL and then get canned, something is up

    Clashes with front office, such as an unwillingness to tamper with Tom Brady.

  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 7,839 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2, 2022 12:57PM

    the timing made zero sense to me, but now i'm up to speed, thanks. so basically it's a bizarro world in Miami. this is juicier than an explosion at a sunny delight factory.

    from the horse's mouth:

    http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=33200346

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  • LandrysFedoraLandrysFedora Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tabe said:

    @galaxy27 said:
    i'm still unable to comprehend why he was jettisoned by Miami in the first place. when you go 8-1 to close out a season in the NFL and then get canned, something is up

    Clashes with front office, such as an unwillingness to tamper with Tom Brady.

    @Tabe said:

    @galaxy27 said:
    i'm still unable to comprehend why he was jettisoned by Miami in the first place. when you go 8-1 to close out a season in the NFL and then get canned, something is up

    Clashes with front office, such as an unwillingness to tamper with Tom Brady.

    Also rumored there was no love lost between Flores and Tua in regards to Tua's work ethic.

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 23,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If Ross would have asked me to throw games...

  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,061 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LandrysFedora said:

    Also rumored there was no love lost between Flores and Tua in regards to Tua's work ethic.

    Yep, have heard the same thing.

  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,693 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PaulMaul said:
    This is the kind of thing the Rooney Rule causes. If the Giants want to hire Daboll, they should be allowed to hire him. Forcing them to interview a black candidate when they know they want Daboll just wastes both parties’ time.

    The unfortunate part of that, too, is that a Rooney Rule is even necessary. In a league where the majority of players are black, you would think it would be the opposite.



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  • daltexdaltex Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How is asking a coach to tank racist? He should perhaps be banned from football for throwing games (the owner, I mean) but that has nothing to do with race.

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,116 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @spacehayduke said:
    I admire his courage to stand up to a flawed hiring system but it probably won't do much good, NFL may lose (they also may not) but they will just find a way around it and do what they want anyway. Sad but true IMO.

    HST, my employer pulls the same thing all of the time, they talk about diversity, but then when a diverse candidate gets an interview and said candidate is of equally or better qualified, always goes to the undiverse candidate. Happens time and time again and there clearly is some bias going on here, it is just very hard to prove.

    Best, SH

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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,244 ✭✭✭✭✭

    perhaps the giants and broncos simply did not see Flores as the candidate they wanted for their respective jobs. not everything is about race.

    you can bet that Mr. Flores will find it near impossible to get a job in the NFL moving forward.

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  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,061 ✭✭✭

    I am interested to see how this plays out. If Flores' allegations are proven true I would think the NFL would dish out a lot of cash and I suspect Flores would be hired again. If his allegations are established to be false then he might have a hard time with employment. They are pretty strong allegations to just make up so I suspect there is truth but, obviously, there are always two sides to a story.

  • LandrysFedoraLandrysFedora Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is it just me or does it seem this story has been put to the side burner the past few days? Guess the nfl wants to hold off on any bad publicity until after the Super Bowl?

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,981 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can’t understand why Miami fired him. He gave them a better season than I thought they would have.

    The trouble is working for an organization that doesn’t want you sucks, especially in a spot like head coach where you need all the support you can get. That’s the bad part about getting a job via a lawsuit.

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  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,061 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 8, 2022 10:29AM

    @BillJones said:
    I can’t understand why Miami fired him. He gave them a better season than I thought they would have.

    If you believe Miami, it's because there was chaos at offensive coordinator, his quarterback dislikes him, and he doesn't get along with the front office.

  • daltexdaltex Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:
    I can’t understand why Miami fired him. He gave them a better season than I thought they would have.

    The trouble is working for an organization that doesn’t want you sucks, especially in a spot like head coach where you need all the support you can get. That’s the bad part about getting a job via a lawsuit.

    If the bonus allegation is true, and it must be thoroughly investigated, he got fired because he neither made the playoffs nor clinched a high draft pick.

  • 1951WheatiesPremium1951WheatiesPremium Posts: 6,363 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Giants screwed this all up.

    Brian Flores definitely has a point.

    Most people do not understand how the ‘Rooney rule’ works.

    The most serious allegation is NFL owner(s) paying coaches to lose games. No one in their right mind will bet on games that they believe are fixed. With two owners accused of this, and with alleged evidence of it (Hue Jackson in Cleveland), it’s no wonder the NFL wants this story to go away before the biggest betting event of the year.

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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,244 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Elway has come out and refuted the allegations levied against him. that he was drunk/disinterested in the interview.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

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