Ms66+ 1943 wlh is it a restoration candidate?
Ppp
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I had this coin on another post regarding gtg.
Personally I liked the look of my ms66 more than this ms66+.
If I send my ms66+ in pcgs for restoration what are the chances it could be bumped up to a ms67?
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Why would you think (as opposed to hope) the grade might go up?
PCGS might decline to do anything to the coin. If they do accept it for “restoration” service, it will cost you money and the coin could end up looking better or worse.
In order for the grade to go up, it would require that the patina had been holding the grade back, that it be removed AND that its removal doesn’t reveal flaws which weren’t already apparent.
I’d leave it as is.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Mfield-Thank you for your comment and recommendation.
I was always under the impression that luster matters in grading but when I see coins like this I scratch my head because I personally like blast white vs. the obverse of this coin and that’s why I thought it might grade higher. Based on what you wrote there is a risk sending it back in which I don’t want to take.
this is a type coin that those with even a little experience with conserving/dipping would just crack out themselves to do having little risk of harming the coin. experience being the key.
i haven't looked up the value risk of it going up/down/staying the same but that is going to be the determining factor with such a common coin as this. (haven't looked up the pops in a while but i know 6s/7s have gone up quite a bit in the last 5+ years)
if this coin had that toning? on it at time of grading, it for sure didn't help.
were i the one that decided to do it myself, i'd used diluted dip to protect the luster as i doubt that obv tone would be difficult to get off but may take a few diluted dips. while being a common coin, the value may still be there and would need to treat it as such. rinsing would probably be quite important for long-term storage/protection, that is where experience comes in and there are approximately 100,000 posts on this forum about dipping silver coins and proper rinsing/drying.
i agree completely with mfeld. conservation can go either way and while they are professionals, i've seen (and had) coins come back with unpleasant/unexpected results. i have seen MANY good results though.
if you don't already have a membership or someone to submit it for you safely, i wouldn't even consider conservation as the fees all-in, would be upwards of $200 all-in and with this coin being the only one? going out, it would bear the full brunt of those fees.
Toning is positive, neutral or negative. In my opinion, the toning on your coin is neutral, in other words, it neither helps nor hurts the coin.
I would keep the coin as is.
Are you keeping the coin for your personal collection or are you planning on selling it?
Many collectors do look for the plus (+) grades.
Let us know what your plans are,
Wayne
Kennedys are my quest...
I would have it conserved. Probably under that toning are strong, lustrous surfaces earning the 66+ grade not only on the technical side yet also on the eye appeal side.
peacockcoins
ok. it was buggin' me, so here are the specs for at least part of the cost analysis side.
Stop chasing the money and start enjoying the coins. That coin is just fine where it is. Can it be conserved? Depends on what you mean? In the technical traditional sense yes, no problem. Will it up the value of the coin, or make it otherwise more enjoyable to own? Mt spidey sense says no.
Of course, it depends upon the coin itself, but your downside is relatively low compared to your upside, so it is worthy of consideration. I agree with Lance that if I believed in the coin, I might consider just cracking it, give it a quick, maybe diluted dip, and give it a shot. On the other hand, I like toning. I recently had a 67+ CAC Morgan with similar differential toning, though the obverse was not as crusty as yours. It had 8 surfaces, or so I thought, but it was too risky for me. In the end, I just sold it to a knowledgeable collector who appreciated it for what it was and is.
Tom
Will they restore a cleaned coin to a point that it can be graded afterwards and not considered cleaned?
No, your cleaned coins that you posted in another thread would still be “cleaned”.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Roll the dice. At lest you could say you tried if I saw a coin like this I would snap it up and run with it. But you need to look real close to see if there is anything under that big crescent tone spot.
Hoard the keys.
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did you, um, well, consider reconsideration service level?
i figure the upside goes down a bit getting an upgrade but the downside goes away completely (aside from postal theft/porch thieves). ok downside is spent money. that is the game though.
I did not. I discussed it with a number of folks who I considered knowledgeable on these high grade coins and our collective conclusion was that it would not upgrade with the toning.
I do have a few pics of it though....here it is. But it is gone now.
Tom
I recently sent in a MS67 Roanoke commem that I was certain would qualify for restoration. Lo and behold they did nothing but encapsulate it again with the same grade and I wasted over $100.
thanks for posting the pics/info.
my apologies but i was asking about the walker for reconsideration.
not sure how good an idea it would be though since it looks like a fairly new holder.
i think if it were me and i did decide to crack it, i'd probably try to have a few other coins going along to increase the chance of something going up. at that value range, it really only takes 1-2 out of a group of say 4-5.
The following is from pcgs website regarding restoration service:
“Submitting a coin for PCGS Restoration in no way guarantees the upgrade of your coin. If the coin is already in a PCGS holder, it is guaranteed not to downgrade, nothing more. Through our restoration service, PCGS is committed to preserving and restoring coins to their original and natural condition.”
Considering the coin is in a pcgs holder (will not be downgraded), I prefer blast white coins, and lastly in could be upgraded (more valuable) I am now thinking I may take the risk. Worst case nothing changes and I spent some money (I have done a lot worst).
If the coin is restored and looks better to me I will keep it if not I will get rid of it.
This coin was just graded by pcgs and is part of an unc roll that was stored for over 50 years (another older post I will update with some results of grading).
@Ppp.... Good luck with your coin.... It is a gamble, no doubt. But life in general is a gamble.... Be sure to let us know the results. Cheers, RickO