Oh My! Beautiful! HLRC 1795 Dollar

Catbert

http://hlrc.com/Inventory/CoinViewer?id=870549001&c=23

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Steven59

That's a fantastic looking dollar coin - except it's $85,000 too much for my budget!

Catbert

Me too!

rip_f

Beautiful preservation.
Does anybody really think it circulated?

jayPem

Wowza! I hate to say this though.. no sticker.

gumby1234

Beauty. Out of my price range, if it was priced $84,000 lower I would grab it in a heartbeat.

gumby1234

@rip_f said:
Beautiful preservation.
Does anybody really think it circulated?

Probably never saw any circulation but has some slight wear from mishandling.

lkenefic

Wow... beautiful!! Yeah... a tad out of my budget too... lol...

ChrisH821

Very nice coin and some good inventory.
I would feel better if their site was secured.

lkeigwin

Splendid. Just wonderful.

Let's add the images here for posterity.
Lance.

lkeigwin

@jayPem said:
Wowza! I hate to say this though...no sticker.

Makes you wonder when a 58+ like this is deemed a "C" coin.
Lance.

skier07

@lkeigwin said:

@jayPem said:
Wowza! I hate to say this though...no sticker.

Makes you wonder when a 58+ like this is deemed a "C" coin.
Lance.

Makes me wonder why there’s no sticker.

jesbroken

That is a WOW coin if ever their was one. As to no CAC, maybe the owner didn't think it needed it and did not wish to pay the S/H with insurance to prove what they already knew. I believe this coin will bring as much without a sticker as with one.
Jim

rip_f

@gumby1234 said:

@rip_f said:
Beautiful preservation.
Does anybody really think it circulated?

Probably never saw any circulation but has some slight wear from mishandling.

I have always thought that that was the definition of MS60.

The graders did this special coin a favor giving it a 58+. I guess the negative connotations surrounding a 60 or 61 these days held sway in assigning the grade.

Floridafacelifter

Maybe dipped and album retoned prevented CAC approval? In this day and age not submitting for a sticker is potentially leaving serious money on the table, so you gotta figure this coin did not earn one. A sticker would bring top dollar- but this is a beautiful example nonetheless.

gumby1234

Many 58 graded coins look much better than lower grade UNC. Any wear on a coin should exclude it from MS 60 or higher. Not always the case. The ones that did make it are called sliders.

amwldcoin

I pity the collector with the means and desire to pass on that coin because it doesn't have the approval of 1 man!

Floridafacelifter

@amwldcoin said:
I pity the collector with the means and desire to pass on that coin because it doesn't have the approval of 1 man!

I’m not saying I only buy CAC coins- because that’s simply not true- I’m just saying if I’m selling, I would prefer to have the sticker vs not have the sticker for a nominal $16- definitely worth the investment. Because there ARE collectors who only buy CAC approved coins and search auction listings and websites based on that criteria.

amwldcoin

Perhaps you should take a look. While trivial vrs. the cost of this coin, it will cost quite a bit more than $16 to get the beenie weenie on it. CAC's pricing format is similar to PCGS when you go up in value.

@Floridafacelifter said:

@amwldcoin said:
I pity the collector with the means and desire to pass on that coin because it doesn't have the approval of 1 man!

I’m not saying I only buy CAC coins- because that’s simply not true- I’m just saying if I’m selling, I would prefer to have the sticker vs not have the sticker for a nominal $16- definitely worth the investment. Because there ARE collectors who only buy CAC approved coins and search auction listings and websites based on that criteria.

ricko

I am not a stickler for stickers... As a matter of fact, I would be happy with one of those coins raw.... Cheers, RickO

Floridafacelifter

@amwldcoin said:
Perhaps you should take a look. While trivial vrs. the cost of this coin, it will cost quite a bit more than $16 to get the beenie weenie on it. CAC's pricing format is similar to PCGS when you go up in value.

That makes sense- I don’t do any of my own direct submissions to CAC- I don’t like shipping and receiving coins in the current environment. I’ll do show submissions to PCGS but that’s about it- anyway, it’s a beautiful coin I would be proud to own- mine is the 3 leaves version.

LanceNewmanOCC

@Floridafacelifter said:
That makes sense- I don’t do any of my own direct submissions to CAC- I don’t like shipping and receiving coins in the > current environment. I’ll do show submissions to PCGS but that’s about it- anyway, it’s a beautiful coin I would be proud to > own- mine is the 3 leaves version.

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you can do in-person drop-offs if i am not mistaken. not sure how this works in the era of c19 but with your type of collection, i'm sure you AND cac would enjoy each other's visit/submissions. fwiw

Floridafacelifter

@LanceNewmanOCC said:

@Floridafacelifter said:
That makes sense- I don’t do any of my own direct submissions to CAC- I don’t like shipping and receiving coins in the > current environment. I’ll do show submissions to PCGS but that’s about it- anyway, it’s a beautiful coin I would be proud to > own- mine is the 3 leaves version.

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you can do in-person drop-offs if i am not mistaken. not sure how this works in the era of c19 but with your type of collection, i'm sure you AND cac would enjoy each other's visit/submissions. fwiw

I would love to visit CAC in person- but my wife, three kids, two dogs and busy surgical practice barely even allow me the time to drive up to FUN twice a year- but here’s to “maybe one day”

BryceM

I saw that too. You could build an entire collection around something like that. Gorgeous.

As for the CAC question, it would be informative to hear JA’s thoughts about it. Unless he saw something truly terrible, I wouldn't hesitate to pursue it.

I love the clashes. For the sake of comparison, here is my humble example of the B-9 BB-13 variety:

For those interested, an overlay I did to demonstrate how the clash happened:

CommemDude

I recently dropped off 250 coins for cac evaluation. Based on my experience, they are very tough on early type that appears to have been cleaned, no matter how gently or professionally. This is a maginificent coin, but I agree that it has secondary album toning.

LanceNewmanOCC

@BryceM said:
I love the clashes. For the sake of comparison, here is my humble example of the B-9 BB-13 variety:

nicely done.

BryceM

@CommemDude said:
I recently dropped off 250 coins for cac evaluation. Based on my experience, they are very tough on early type that appears to have been cleaned, no matter how gently or professionally.

JA is known for being tough on gold. In my experience he is equally tough (possibly even tougher??) on early US type.

Walkerfan

Super gorgeous!!

jayPem

Apologies for dropping a cac stink bomb into the post... a totally gorgeous Flowing hair dollar with or without the tiny little football 😄

Here's my one time lowly example... wish I still had it sometimes. Or could at least find the images with out the pb stamp 🤔

willy

HLRC *** means it has not been sent it to CAC by HLRC or the previous owner. Not sure about the other previous owners. So maybe it will CAC

calgolddiver

WoW

crazyhounddog

A GORGEOUS piece👌

kaz

Stunner of a coin, although I agree that looks like secondary toning. Maybe I'm just lowbrow, but I actually prefer BryceM's dollar.

Eldorado9

Really nice coin! Love the color

cameonut2011

Drool worthy

BryceM

@kaz said:
Stunner of a coin, although I agree that looks like secondary toning. Maybe I'm just lowbrow, but I actually prefer BryceM's dollar.

Tell you what.....

You acquire the coin from HLRC and I'll trade you, straight across, No questions asked.

1peter1223

Here are different pictures under different ( less ) lighting ....

Auction link .........

https://coins.ha.com/itm/early-dollars/silver-and-related-dollars/1795-1-flowing-hair-two-leaves-b-9-bb-13-r4-au58-pcgs-pcgs-39980-/a/1314-3732.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515#

jdimmick

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Catbert

Heritage description:

"1795 Flowing Hair Dollar, AU58
Two Leaves, B-9, BB-13
Ex: Cardinal Collection
1795 $1 Flowing Hair, Two Leaves, B-9, BB-13, R.4, AU58 PCGS. Ex: Cardinal Collection. Bowers Die State II. The 1795 Flowing Hair dollar claims a substantial mintage of 160,295 pieces, all struck before the design was switched to the Draped Bust motif later in the year. Nineteen die varieties are known for the date. Two points of star 1 touch the lowest curl and an outside berry is positioned midway between S and T of STATES, identifying the BB-13 variety. The obverse die was also used to strike the BB-11 and BB-12 varieties of this date and the reverse die was used again to strike the BB-14. The BB-13 is a fairly scarce variety, with most examples seen in lower circulated grades. The BB-13 is rare in AU grades, and only a single MS62 NGC example has been certified in Mint State.

The present coin traces its history back to the fabulous collection of pioneer collector Matthew Stickney. Stickney began collecting around 1820, so he may have acquired this coin while it was still fairly new. When his collection was sold through prominent coin dealer Henry Chapman in 1907, this coin was described in lot 810:

"1795 Small head far from LIBERTY, curl touches two points of star, and point of bust almost touches star. R. Two leaves under each wing, different die from preceding. Extremely fine. Mint lustre. Rare dies. See Plate."

The lot sold to super-collector Virgil Brand, for $9.50, a strong price for the time. This coin probably spent several decades in Brand's famous collection and we have not been able to trace it until it surfaced in lot 712 of the Spring Sale by Stack's in April of 1978. The collection offered in the Spring Sale had begun as a type set and the 1795 Flowing Hair dollar is the only reasonable choice for a type collector seeking an example of the design, because the 1794 issue is so elusive and expensive. No doubt the Spring Sale collector found this lovely AU58 specimen to be an exceptional coin for type purposes.

The coin next appeared in lot 7 of Martin Logies' famous Cardinal Collection (American Numismatic Rarities, 6/2005). Logies was a keen student of the early dollar series who wrote the standard reference on 1794 dollars. Inclusion in his collection is a mark of distinction for any early dollar. As far as we can tell, this coin has not been publicly offered since.

This spectacular near-Mint specimen is the plate coin in Q. David Bowers' Encyclopedia of United States Silver Dollars 1794-1804 and it occupies the number 1 spot in his list of Notable Specimens. This coin is perfectly centered, with strong dentilation around both sides. Just the slightest trace of friction shows on the high points of the strongly impressed design elements and some clash marks from the eagle's wings and wreath are remarkably clear on the obverse. More clash marks from Liberty's portrait show on the reverse. The lustrous surfaces are remarkably lightly abraded, with a thin scratch above he eagle's head the only mark of note. Vivid shades of cerulean-blue, violet, sea-green, and gold toning surround the silver-gray center of the obverse, while the reverse shows highlights of champagne-gold and magenta. Overall eye appeal is tremendous. This piece is probably the second-finest known example of this variety and should find a home in an advanced collection or Registry Set."

rays

An advance from $57500 to $85000 is quite a markup. A beautiful coin.

I still have a 1795 dollar, the very first coin I ever bought from Jim McGuigan in 1995 ($6500, and a strong price at the time). It’s in a PCGS AU55 holder. I bought it for the strong luster, which is hard to capture in a photo. So many of the flowing hair dollars have been cleaned over the past two centuries.

pmh1nic

Sold to Brand for $9.50, incredible.

DCW

Fascinating piece!

skier07

@willy said:
HLRC *** means it has not been sent it to CAC by HLRC or the previous owner. Not sure about the other previous owners. So maybe it will CAC

And I’ll sell you my share of the Brooklyn Bridge.

winesteven

@amwldcoin said:
Perhaps you should take a look. While trivial vrs. the cost of this coin, it will cost quite a bit more than $16 to get the beenie weenie on it. CAC's pricing format is similar to PCGS when you go up in value.

CAC charges $75 at that level, plus their $6 per submission form handling fee. My FedEx rates in a box, Priority Overnight with Required Signature is now $24 each way. My private insurance covers it, since the signature is required. Yes, as a percentage it’s a lot more than $16, but for the extra value the sticker would add, the cost is tiny!

amwldcoin

I honestly hope and think a CAC sticker isn't going to amount to a hill of beans on this coin!

@winesteven said:

@amwldcoin said:
Perhaps you should take a look. While trivial vrs. the cost of this coin, it will cost quite a bit more than $16 to get the beenie weenie on it. CAC's pricing format is similar to PCGS when you go up in value.

CAC charges $75 at that level, plus their $6 per submission form handling fee. My FedEx rates in a box, Priority Overnight with Required Signature is now $24 each way. My private insurance covers it, since the signature is required. Yes, as a percentage it’s a lot more than $16, but for the extra value the sticker would add, the cost is tiny!

BillJones

Harry always posts his prices with no commas. When I first looked at it, I read $8,500 and thought I was in a time warp. Then I got back to reality.

shorecoll

Most coins at that level have a history, positive or negative, it's possible JA knows something we don't. I remember TDN would expound on each known example of some dates and how this one or that was mistreated 47 years ago. Either way it's above my pay grade.

Crypto

Any chance to post this

alefzero

A lot prettier than my PCGS 20 of that BB-13 LDS (loved those with the bold clashing). The assigned grade almost doesn't matter. And refreshingly not just another BB-27.

Floridafacelifter

I love this one- it’s my avatar image