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Counterfeits to report - Pattern half dollar and half cent 1-26-22 (gone now)

IkesTIkesT Posts: 2,534 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 27, 2022 10:07AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Both from the same seller - one is a fake 1877 50c J-1512 and the other a fake 1795 1/2 cent:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?sid=cbtrinketsco&_pgn=1&isRefine=true

I messaged the seller to let them know their coins are counterfeits, but they were not receptive.

Thank you for reporting!




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  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Reported both pieces.

    thefinn
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They are gone now..... Good work... Cheers, RickO

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks to you guys for pointing these fakes out to us.
    I sense that there are many members here making it their business
    to find and report them so they can be removed.
    There is more power in numbers.
    @IkesT
    Can you please help a novice out on what was the reason the 1877 half is counterfeit?
    Thanks in advance.
    Wayne

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 11,888 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you for posting images!

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 27, 2022 11:46AM

    send that half cent back to where it came from (both of them)

  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 2,534 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 27, 2022 12:03PM

    @WAYNEAS said:
    @IkesT
    Can you please help a novice out on what was the reason the 1877 half is counterfeit?
    Thanks in advance.
    Wayne

    Here is what I wrote earlier on the "copper" version of the same counterfeit design:

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1065374/fake-j-1513-morgan-half-dollar-pattern-on-ebay-gone-now

    "Note the crude hair detail on the obverse of the fake compared to the genuine coin. On the fake, the truncation of the bust points directly at a bead, while on the genuine example, it points between two beads. The orientation of the beads and denticles on the reverse of the fake also does not quite match the genuine example. The fake also has crude feather detail on the eagle, and lacks clean separation between "IN GOD WE TRUST" and the border."

    To that description, I would add that on the obverse, the veins on the cotton leaves are clearly different on the counterfeit. On the reverse, the first "A" in "AMERICA" points between 2 denticles on the counterfeit, while on the genuine coin, it points directly at 1 denticle.

    A genuine example for comparison:
    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1877-50c-j-1513-rb/71851

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @IkesT
    Thanks for the education on the fake half details.
    It is much clearer for me to see now with your aid.
    Wayne

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,005 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @IkesT said:

    @WAYNEAS said:
    @IkesT
    Can you please help a novice out on what was the reason the 1877 half is counterfeit?
    Thanks in advance.
    Wayne

    Here is what I wrote earlier on the "copper" version of the same counterfeit design:

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1065374/fake-j-1513-morgan-half-dollar-pattern-on-ebay-gone-now

    "Note the crude hair detail on the obverse of the fake compared to the genuine coin. On the fake, the truncation of the bust points directly at a bead, while on the genuine example, it points between two beads. The orientation of the beads and denticles on the reverse of the fake also does not quite match the genuine example. The fake also has crude feather detail on the eagle, and lacks clean separation between "IN GOD WE TRUST" and the border."

    To that description, I would add that the veins on the cotton leaves are clearly different on the counterfeit.

    A genuine example for comparison:
    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1877-50c-j-1513-rb/71851

    I don't know if this always applies, however... another characteristic of copies I've seen is that the beads which surround the devices on each side, have spaces between them. On the other hand, the beads on the genuine examples don't have the spacing between them.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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