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gschwernkgschwernk Posts: 338 ✭✭✭✭✭

I am considering expanding my collection of Gobrecht Dollars. How do you Gobrecht collectors perfer to collect these? Do You collect by Judd#, or Redbook? There are many ways to classify the numerous varities. I was wondering if there is a comprehensive list that specialists prefer.

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    RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,372 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For me, I just wanted a date set of the 3 dates. Completed it last year.

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    gschwernkgschwernk Posts: 338 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @boiler78 said:
    By Redbook

    J-58

    J-60 coin turn

    J-60 medal turn

    J-84

    J-104

    Great Coins!!! I have these except for J58 at mostly lower grades. I believe at lot of the other Judd#'s are pretty rare.

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    goldengolden Posts: 9,063 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @boiler78 said:
    By Redbook

    J-58

    J-60 coin turn

    J-60 medal turn

    J-84

    J-104

    Holy crap!

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    Che_GrapesChe_Grapes Posts: 1,851 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @boiler78
    Holy cow - those are amazing
    That J104 is unbelievable
    Thanks for sharing

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    fastfreddiefastfreddie Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Eeny, meeny, miny, moe

    All great! That Restrike J-104 is sweet!

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    ZoidMeisterZoidMeister Posts: 3,021 ✭✭✭✭✭

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    By modern reproduction or tribute pieces.

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    @gschwernk said:
    I am considering expanding my collection of Gobrecht Dollars. How do you Gobrecht collectors perfer to collect these? Do You collect by Judd#, or Redbook? There are many ways to classify the numerous varities. I was wondering if there is a comprehensive list that specialists prefer.

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,309 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @messydesk said:

    @gschwernk said:
    ... How do you Gobrecht collectors perfer to collect these?

    Vicariously.

    What he said
    Jim


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    gschwernkgschwernk Posts: 338 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Floridafacelifter said:

    @boiler78 said:
    By Redbook

    Congratulations that’s a spectacular assemblage- I currently only have two:

    J-60 Original, Medal Alignment, PR64+ CAC

    J-105, PR65

    I really like the J105 but it is not part of the redbook set. Have you set any collecting goals or do you just pickup coins you like.

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    FloridafacelifterFloridafacelifter Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gschwernk said:

    @Floridafacelifter said:

    @boiler78 said:
    By Redbook

    I really like the J105 but it is not part of the redbook set. Have you set any collecting goals or do you just pickup coins you like.

    I’m mainly a type collector and just pick up what I like, but these two are for my “Complete U.S. Type Set, Proof” where I’m currently #4. For the set you need one Gobrecht from 1836 and a second from either 1838 or 1839.

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    burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And mine is a Chinese counterfeit...

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    Che_GrapesChe_Grapes Posts: 1,851 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @burfle23 said:
    And mine is a Chinese counterfeit...

    In a fake slab? I almost purchased that one myself.

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    burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Che_Grapes , no, genuine slab; coin was shipped raw from China via the Netherlands. Would love to see images of the one you almost purchased!

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    Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Big Boy Coins! I want.

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    CatbertCatbert Posts: 6,604 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @boiler78

    A five coin collection from which dreams are made! <3

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    oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 1,636 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Floridafacelifter said:
    I’m mainly a type collector and just pick up what I like, but these two are for my “Complete U.S. Type Set, Proof” where I’m currently #4. For the set you need one Gobrecht from 1836 and a second from either 1838 or 1839.

    I'm working on the last 5 coins I need to complete my type set, but I've rationalized leaving the Gobrecht dollars off the list, based on their historical treatment as patterns. Now, after more reading....damn, now I have to look for the "big 7" instead of the "big 5". At least availability isn't an issue, unlike the half disme.

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    oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 1,636 ✭✭✭✭✭

    P.S. Not including gold.

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    goldengolden Posts: 9,063 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I will be content with the one I have.

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    gschwernkgschwernk Posts: 338 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @oldabeintx said:

    @Floridafacelifter said:
    I’m mainly a type collector and just pick up what I like, but these two are for my “Complete U.S. Type Set, Proof” where I’m currently #4. For the set you need one Gobrecht from 1836 and a second from either 1838 or 1839.

    I'm working on the last 5 coins I need to complete my type set, but I've rationalized leaving the Gobrecht dollars off the list, based on their historical treatment as patterns. Now, after more reading....damn, now I have to look for the "big 7" instead of the "big 5". At least availability isn't an issue, unlike the half disme.

    I believe J60 (1836)and J104(1839) were minted for circulation. The rest are probably patterns and/or restrikes. The current research indicates the 1838's were not minted for circulation.

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    boiler78boiler78 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 25, 2022 5:12PM

    Realistically the Red Book set is the only Gobrecht set that can be completed. There are 19 different Gobrecht designs not counting originals vs. restrikes and medal turn vs. coin turn. Of the 19 designs 4 are thought to be unique.... 8 are rarity 8 with 2-3 known.... and 3 are rarity 7 with less than a dozen known so IMO it is unlikely that anyone can complete this set.

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    yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,596 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 25, 2022 5:54PM

    There's a great website with research and counts on the originals and restrikes, in case anyone has not seen it:
    http://gobrechtdollars.com/index.html
    I remember the old Red Books classified them by alignment. Hopefully that is improved now.

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    ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Love the coins, not the prices. Never thought of including one of them in my type set for that reason. One reason I come to Long Beach is to hopefully look at one of them.

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    HoledandCreativeHoledandCreative Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would like to find an 1839 for my collection. Great thread!

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    gschwernkgschwernk Posts: 338 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @yosclimber said:
    There's a great website with research and counts on the originals and restrikes, in case anyone has not seen it:
    http://gobrechtdollars.com/index.html
    I remember the old Red Books classified them by alignment. Hopefully that is improved now.

    The reason I started this thread is that I plan on adding a Gobrecht section to my 100 Greatest US coins website. I think the Gobrecht website you reference ,which I had not seen before, points out how complicated these issues are to classify. I will need to think about how to present these coins on my website.

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    HoledandCreativeHoledandCreative Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A beauty!

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    kazkaz Posts: 9,067 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow!

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,484 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It’s one and done for me. I have considered a second one a couple of times, but the $40k + price tag would killed my budget.

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    gschwernkgschwernk Posts: 338 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have been studying the Gobrecht Dollar and attempting to come up with a simplified classification system to use for my website.
    As a start I propose 3 main #’s G1836, G1838, G1839 as follows:
    G1836 – corresponds to J60, dated 1836 with name on base, stars on reverse, starless obverse.
    G1838 – corresponds to J84, dated 1838 name removed, starless reverse, stars on obverse.
    G1839 – corresponds to J104, dated 1839 name removed, starless reverse, stars on obverse.

    I concur with the research presented in the DTS theory site: http://gobrechtdollars.com/index.html
    which states the J58, dated 1836 name below base is a fabrication and should not be included.
    Gobrecht Dollars come with 4 different coin alignments which are shown well at:
    http://gobrechtdollars.com/J60.html

    G1836 is known in all coin alignments so we have.
    G1836I, G1836II, G1836III and G1836IV.
    G1838 is known with 2 alignments so we have.
    G1838III and G1838IV.
    G1839 is known with 2 alignments so we have.
    G1839III and G1839IV.

    Lastly if we wish to separate originals and restrikes and if we accept the research presented in the DTS theory.
    The coin alignment determines the originals from restrikes for G1836 (G1836III are restrikes). However G1838 and G1839 have originals and restrikes
    In both alignments so finally, we have:
    G1838IIIO, G1838IIIR, G1838 IVO, G1838IVR
    G1839IIIO, G1839IIIR, G1839IVO, G1839IVR

    Comments? Suggestions?

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