I think I stopped collecting trade dollars about 12 years ago or so, and I’m still waiting for keoj’s book! ^_^
I’d love to see such a book. It took me years to buy a 76 II/II, and I ended up with a damaged one in an ANACS slab identified as a business strike. I’ve suspected it was an impaired proof.
I’d like to see a reference work that could clear up which it is.
@shirohniichan2 said:
I think I stopped collecting trade dollars about 12 years ago or so, and I’m still waiting for keoj’s book! ^_^
I’d love to see such a book. It took me years to buy a 76 II/II, and I ended up with a damaged one in an ANACS slab identified as a business strike. I’ve suspected it was an impaired proof.
I’d like to see a reference work that could clear up which it is.
The more books the better for all. If another cataloguing of the dies/die pairs comes out, it should just be an isomorphism of mine, perhaps with some I missed in the listings. No different from the H, B, and BB listings for early silver dollars. There is a one-to-one correspondence.
Could somebody who has a copy in hand please look and see what it says about the 1876-S Doubled Hand DDO and what it says about who discovered it and when? I saw one when I was visiting Collectors Clearinghouse before I started working for Coin World in December, 1973, and I assumed that it was published in Clearinghouse around that time, but so many early discoveries are lost to the fact that back issues of Coin World are not available on line.
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@CaptHenway said:
Could somebody who has a copy in hand please look and see what it says about the 1876-S Doubled Hand DDO and what it says about who discovered it and when? I saw one when I was visiting Collectors Clearinghouse before I started working for Coin World in December, 1973, and I assumed that it was published in Clearinghouse around that time, but so many early discoveries are lost to the fact that back issues of Coin World are not available on line.
It doesn't address who discovered it. The book is more for identifying die varieties with a bit of commentary for each of the 50 varieties. There is a brief commentary regarding a die break but that's about it.
The approach I took was NOT to create a coffee table book with all of the history, commonly found in books by the likes of QDB. The bigger book is simply a catalogue of the dies and die pairs (some stages) for field identification. When I did VAMs (for decades), the big book had a lot of information, but only the listings and images were practical when at a show or shop. The rest is unneeded weight for that purpose.
The reason for pursuing it, in the first place, was that I had created and run the SSDC Registry server. It was for VAMs initially and was done so that all reasonably respectable TPGs (and VARslab) could be included (unlike the ones run at PCGS and NGC), to maximize participation and to maintain the best source of populations. It was never meant to compete with them. Over time, other series were included. The Trade dollars had no reference at the die variety level. To facilitate them in that registry, I undertook the task. It was a lot more efficient having done VAMs for 40 years or so and had the benefit of hindsight as to where things could get messy.
The only example of the 1876-S with the II/I (so-called DDO) obverse I held was one of the two Don Rinkor had in his inventory. I noticed that small break when I imaged it at my table at Long Beach then. (The image quality was limited by the fact that it was imaged with a DinoLite using bourse ambient lighting. I had queried on this, in this thread I believe. And it seems that all of the extant known pieces have that break. The assumption is that it occurred with the known Type I die was rehubbed with the new Type II hub, rather than a progressive cracking within production.
Not sure who discovered it and really didn't feel compelled to go down that road. Same for the 1876-CC DDR, though I think that might have been discovered by Jeff Oxman. I know he has a rather nice one.
@alefzero said:
The approach I took was NOT to create a coffee table book with all of the history, commonly found in books by the likes of QDB. The bigger book is simply a catalogue of the dies and die pairs (some stages) for field identification. When I did VAMs (for decades), the big book had a lot of information, but only the listings and images were practical when at a show or shop. The rest is unneeded weight for that purpose.
The reason for pursuing it, in the first place, was that I had created and run the SSDC Registry server. It was for VAMs initially and was done so that all reasonably respectable TPGs (and VARslab) could be included (unlike the ones run at PCGS and NGC), to maximize participation and to maintain the best source of populations. It was never meant to compete with them. Over time, other series were included. The Trade dollars had no reference at the die variety level. To facilitate them in that registry, I undertook the task. It was a lot more efficient having done VAMs for 40 years or so and had the benefit of hindsight as to where things could get messy.
The only example of the 1876-S with the II/I (so-called DDO) obverse I held was one of the two Don Rinkor had in his inventory. I noticed that small break when I imaged it at my table at Long Beach then. (The image quality was limited by the fact that it was imaged with a DinoLite using bourse ambient lighting. I had queried on this, in this thread I believe. And it seems that all of the extant known pieces have that break. The assumption is that it occurred with the known Type I die was rehubbed with the new Type II hub, rather than a progressive cracking within production.
Not sure who discovered it and really didn't feel compelled to go down that road. Same for the 1876-CC DDR, though I think that might have been discovered by Jeff Oxman. I know he has a rather nice one.
The varieties showed up a couple of weeks ago in Coinfacts but congrats are owed to @alefzero ! Love the book, thank you for your work putting it together!
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I would also be interested in the 800 page big book!
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I think I stopped collecting trade dollars about 12 years ago or so, and I’m still waiting for keoj’s book! ^_^
I’d love to see such a book. It took me years to buy a 76 II/II, and I ended up with a damaged one in an ANACS slab identified as a business strike. I’ve suspected it was an impaired proof.
I’d like to see a reference work that could clear up which it is.
You can use the online version of John's reference to help figure this out:
http://registry.ssdcvams.com/Trade/1876_Trade.html
http://registry.ssdcvams.com/Trade/
Just received my copy moments ago. Looks nicely arranged and well printed. I know what I'll be doing tomorrow for Father's Day!
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"I’m still waiting for keoj’s book!" It's sad that despite his promises he refuses to release it.
Congratulations Kevin! Thank you for your work, it benefits us all.
Please add me to the list for the big book, The complete listing of dies and die pairs.
The more books the better for all. If another cataloguing of the dies/die pairs comes out, it should just be an isomorphism of mine, perhaps with some I missed in the listings. No different from the H, B, and BB listings for early silver dollars. There is a one-to-one correspondence.
Looking forward to seeing this book on sale... Cheers, RickO
Heck i might buy a book on trade dollars and i don't even own one. I need to do some research on them, i know little on their history.....
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Could somebody who has a copy in hand please look and see what it says about the 1876-S Doubled Hand DDO and what it says about who discovered it and when? I saw one when I was visiting Collectors Clearinghouse before I started working for Coin World in December, 1973, and I assumed that it was published in Clearinghouse around that time, but so many early discoveries are lost to the fact that back issues of Coin World are not available on line.
It doesn't address who discovered it. The book is more for identifying die varieties with a bit of commentary for each of the 50 varieties. There is a brief commentary regarding a die break but that's about it.
Chopmarked Trade Dollar Registry Set --- US & World Gold Showcase --- World Chopmark Showcase
The approach I took was NOT to create a coffee table book with all of the history, commonly found in books by the likes of QDB. The bigger book is simply a catalogue of the dies and die pairs (some stages) for field identification. When I did VAMs (for decades), the big book had a lot of information, but only the listings and images were practical when at a show or shop. The rest is unneeded weight for that purpose.
The reason for pursuing it, in the first place, was that I had created and run the SSDC Registry server. It was for VAMs initially and was done so that all reasonably respectable TPGs (and VARslab) could be included (unlike the ones run at PCGS and NGC), to maximize participation and to maintain the best source of populations. It was never meant to compete with them. Over time, other series were included. The Trade dollars had no reference at the die variety level. To facilitate them in that registry, I undertook the task. It was a lot more efficient having done VAMs for 40 years or so and had the benefit of hindsight as to where things could get messy.
The only example of the 1876-S with the II/I (so-called DDO) obverse I held was one of the two Don Rinkor had in his inventory. I noticed that small break when I imaged it at my table at Long Beach then. (The image quality was limited by the fact that it was imaged with a DinoLite using bourse ambient lighting. I had queried on this, in this thread I believe. And it seems that all of the extant known pieces have that break. The assumption is that it occurred with the known Type I die was rehubbed with the new Type II hub, rather than a progressive cracking within production.
Not sure who discovered it and really didn't feel compelled to go down that road. Same for the 1876-CC DDR, though I think that might have been discovered by Jeff Oxman. I know he has a rather nice one.
I'd like a copy of this book..
Click on eBay link below as the book is for sale.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/325709736403?hash=item4bd5d029d3:g:XcoAAOSwWI5kmi3q&amdata=enc:AQAIAAAA4JTD9V5YiOj4gXD5DaYcuRyR78dGiBYSA+UyzHzk9xkK0xesmJX6Oxu4pxY1BujW4Gf0oQq3yITbvFQBEpv9G+zjABYwQ6wkg0ENDso4SIwgQALuioGyreF/XvFgQ9BL0MzMeyPXSkotrd565hv6FE6sFs4jVP8agOwxE/xsNJ1IY96RX7VG/q7WAenZxpseVpfOVPRU+J/WKG4IBnEbvUlxokcgZJE4zE+4jpVHYV1rvTF+ujaVV3OT0NL5OWjn8X/07m4KKrPmVjbHfGtuG3SDjiG+xGpYxifVD/wkQDYe|tkp:Bk9SR6DXraepYg> @PreciousTime said:
The varieties showed up a couple of weeks ago in Coinfacts but congrats are owed to @alefzero ! Love the book, thank you for your work putting it together!
Chopmarked Trade Dollar Registry Set --- US & World Gold Showcase --- World Chopmark Showcase