Do you agree with CAC here?

Zoins

CAC says:

1. They do not accept moderns: Note: CAC does not accept modern coins / bullion coins.
2. They accept Eisenhower Dollars 1971-1978 (MS)

So, Eisenhower Dollars not modern!

https://www.caccoin.com/

gumby1234

Or most of the doubled dies listed?

Zoins

@gumby1234 said:
Or most of the doubled dies listed?

Agree. The latest is 1995.

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Zoins

@silverpop said:
we may or may not agree but CAC has their reasons for not excepting those types of coins

I think I actually agree to an extent.

I've been saying anything older than a YN isn't modern to me, so that means any thing older than 2003.

ricko

Clearly defined business focus on core competencies....Cheers, RickO

erwindoc

I wish they would add Roosevelt 1946-64

ElmerFusterpuck

I can actually say I have the latest date on the list, a 1995 doubled die in MS-68 RB with a green sticker!

Zoins

@ElmerFusterpuck said:
I can actually say I have the latest date on the list, a 1995 doubled die in MS-68 RB with a green sticker!

Good to know

Do you agree with CAC that your coin isn't modern?

TurtleCat

Coin Week did a podcast on this very specific thing. The long and short of it was that the super serious Ike collectors banded together and lobbied JA on why he should include them. After finally convincing him with very specific reasons they sent him a number of the very best Ikes that are out there to evaluate and make a final determination. In the end he accepted their premise and agreed with their provided examples. That's why CAC likes Ike.

Connecticoin

@erwindoc said:
I wish they would add Roosevelt 1946-64

I actually sent them some Roosies assuming anything before 1965 was not modern - did not notice at the time that they are anti-Roosi-ites!

amwldcoin

Makes no never mind to me what they want to put their sticker on! I guess it makes the insecure feel secure. I wonder how much Linus would pay for his blanket???

MFeld

@amwldcoin said:
Makes no never mind to me what they want to put their sticker on! I guess it makes the insecure feel secure. I wonder how much Linus would pay for his blanket???

You just insulted a lot of forum members and unfairly, too. There are plenty of very good reasons (which have nothing to do with insecurities) to submit coins to CAC.

Aotearoa

And they're off...

coinkat

The threshold for MS Ikes should be those graded MS65 and higher by PCGS or NGC.

Those forum members that may feel insulted can respond... or not respond.

It is Linus that I have concerns about... he is not a member but often demonstrates that he could be a promising young numismatist.

airplanenut

@Zoins said:

@ElmerFusterpuck said:
I can actually say I have the latest date on the list, a 1995 doubled die in MS-68 RB with a green sticker!

Good to know

Do you agree with CAC that your coin isn't modern?

I think you’re mistaking brevity for strict policy. In context, it is clear that what they are saying is that on the whole they don’t accept modern coins (so don’t just send in anything you have), but by the way, there are a few specific coins they will accept, even though they are moderns. Could they write all that out? Sure. Is it cleaner not to? Of course. Does that mean they don’t consider 1995 a modern issue? No. Bear in mind they still won’t accept a non-DDO 1995 cent, or any other coin from 1995, because they are moderns.

fiftysevener

Proof Ikes were in hard plastic holders making most of them Pf 69 or better so I can understand why CAC would not want to purchase these. That said like it or not uncirculated Ikes in high grade are sought (not necessarily for beauty) but because they are tough in higher grades and likely few if any hoards will be found.

braddick

It is what separates humans from the animal kingdom: discretion.
CAC is showing that here.

gumby1234

@erwindoc said:
I wish they would add Roosevelt 1946-64

Me too. I got some that would definitely CAC.

moursund

Q: WHAT do you call people who whine and complain about what CAC will or will not accept?
A: Beanie Babies!

No Headlights

His company
His choice
He took the risk starting CAC.
JMO

jmlanzaf

How could you not agree? It's just a corporate decision not a global definition.

Crypto

Ikes are simple and widely collected, They are moderns but the exception.

logger7

They probably don't want to open the floodgates with lots of modern material trying to parse the 69/70 divide with their top notch numismatic eyes.

amwldcoin

Insult or not it's a fact! CAC only is able to exist because some collectors don't trust their judgement, along with the TPG's loosening their standards....especially on coins that not so long ago would not receive a straight grade which are now given a pass today. There are even some with that glorified bean that IMHO should not receive a straight grade. You will recall I posted a prime example of that here not so long ago. To each their own.

Nice coins for the grade will always sell for more than a sub par example....bean or no bean!

@MFeld said:

@amwldcoin said:
Makes no never mind to me what they want to put their sticker on! I guess it makes the insecure feel secure. I wonder how much Linus would pay for his blanket???

You just insulted a lot of forum members and unfairly, too. There are plenty of very good reasons (which have nothing to do with insecurities) to submit coins to CAC.

MFeld

@logger7 said:
They probably don't want to open the floodgates with lots of modern material trying to parse the 69/70 divide with their top notch numismatic eyes.

@logger7 said:
They probably don't want to open the floodgates with lots of modern material trying to parse the 69/70 divide with their top notch numismatic eyes.

That wouldn’t account for accepting business strike Eisenhower dollars, but not Jefferson nickels, Roosevelt dimes and Kennedy half dollars.

jesbroken

I would like for the end of the silver era 1964 to be the next year start of moderns and all 1965 and up to be moderns. I believe it would better satisfy the multitude of collectors of Jefferson's and Franklin's and Roosevelt's.
Jim

Cougar1978

Makes no difference to me. Did not realize they accepted Ike’s. Thanks for sharing that chart.

moursund

@Cougar1978 said:
Makes no difference to me. Did not realize they accepted Ike’s. Thanks for sharing that chart.

I'm not surprised they accept Ikes.... Ikes are Big Money!

johnny9434

Doe it say that you can only send up to a certain Point? Or no one read it, jmo

AlbumAccumulator

I wouldn’t be surprised if CAC is avoiding early Jefferson’s just so they didn’t have to deal with looking at those steps.

cameonut2011

@Zoins said:
CAC says:

1. They do not accept moderns: Note: CAC does not accept modern coins / bullion coins.
2. They accept Eisenhower Dollars 1971-1978 (MS)

So, Eisenhower Dollars not modern!

https://www.caccoin.com/

But it doesn’t accept the proofs…

braddick

How many DCAM PR69 Ikes can you look at before going insane?

CoinJunkie

I personally would classify Ikes as modern, but couldn't care less that CAC chooses to accept them.

moursund

@CoinJunkie said:
I personally would classify Ikes as modern, but couldn't care less that CAC chooses to accept them.

“Modern” and “post-modern” were terms that were developed in the 20th century. “Modern” is the term that describes the period from the 1890s to 1945, and “post-modern” refers to the period after the Second World War, mainly after 1968.

airplanenut

@braddick said:
How many DCAM PR69 Ikes can you look at before going insane?

One… two… three… (crunch!)… three! Three DCAM PR69 Ikes!

braddick

So, to paraphrase:

WON'T CAC:

WILL CAC:

Cougar1978

I have always considered 1964 the last year of classic coins. However it’s their sticker service / money.

Goldminers

I have a couple "modern" Ike's in MS68+ and 69, I would send in, but of course I am not even allowed to apply to get a membership in this exclusive club, and I don't want to use a third party.

MFeld

@braddick said:
So, to paraphrase:

WON'T CAC:

WILL CAC:

Sorry, as much as I enjoyed the visual, I’m not convinced that the Mercury dime would sticker.😉

GRANDAM

QA Check is for Modern Coins as CAC is to Classic Coins.

James Sego and his crew are the best at Modern Coins.

jmlanzaf

@MFeld said:

@braddick said:
So, to paraphrase:

WON'T CAC:

Sorry, as much as I enjoyed the visual, I’m not convinced that the Mercury dime would sticker.😉

I'm sure neither one would sticker.

leothelyon

@AlbumAccumulator said:
I wouldn’t be surprised if CAC is avoiding early Jefferson’s just so they didn’t have to deal with looking at those steps.

Or the weak strikes.

But here are a few (EDS, Proof-like, Full step) Jefferson nickels I think JA might like. The downside, there's just not enough of them out there/around for everyone's collection to enjoy. But does it really matter getting JA's approval when such coins speak loudly for themselves. These coins would hurt your eyes!

But.....than again, maybe I'm the exception.

Leo

Edited for grammer.

amwldcoin

@MFeld said:

@braddick said:
So, to paraphrase:

WON'T CAC:

WILL CAC:

Sorry, as much as I enjoyed the visual, I’m not convinced that the Mercury dime would sticker.😉

Why Not?????

airplanenut

@amwldcoin said:

@MFeld said:

@braddick said:
So, to paraphrase:

WON'T CAC:

WILL CAC:

Sorry, as much as I enjoyed the visual, I’m not convinced that the Mercury dime would sticker.😉

Why Not?????

Mark can be, how shall I put it, a bit harsh in his critiques of some coins, I have found.

braddick

@airplanenut said:

@amwldcoin said:

Sorry, as much as I enjoyed the visual, I'm not convinced that the Mercury dime would sticker.😉

Why Not?????

Mark can be, how shall I put it, a bit harsh in his critiques of some coins, I have found.

I absolutely and equitably agree other than I would substitute "accurate" for the word "harsh."

MFeld

@Goldminers said:
I have a couple "modern" Ike's in MS68+ and 69, I would send in, but of course I am not even allowed to apply to get a membership in this exclusive club, and I don't want to use a third party.

It’s not very exclusive and why aren’t you allowed to apply for a membership?

MFeld

@amwldcoin said:

@MFeld said:

@braddick said:
So, to paraphrase:

WON'T CAC:

WILL CAC:

Sorry, as much as I enjoyed the visual, I’m not convinced that the Mercury dime would sticker.😉

Why Not?????

It looks environmentally damaged (and for the benefit of @airplanenut, I don’t think I’m being particularly harsh😉).

Desert Moon

@amwldcoin said:
Makes no never mind to me what they want to put their sticker on! I guess it makes the insecure feel secure. I wonder how much Linus would pay for his blanket???

I guess we won't see you at the new CAC forums Darrel?

Desert Moon

@amwldcoin said:
Insult or not it's a fact! CAC only is able to exist because some collectors don't trust their judgement, along with the TPG's loosening their standards....especially on coins that not so long ago would not receive a straight grade which are now given a pass today. There are even some with that glorified bean that IMHO should not receive a straight grade. You will recall I posted a prime example of that here not so long ago. To each their own.

Nice coins for the grade will always sell for more than a sub par example....bean or no bean!

This is all true. I am not Mark Feld, Bill Jones, Tom Bush, and others with decades of grading expertise. I need help and usually I don't have these guys at my beck and call, so I do like to see that bean on the slab, gives me more confidence in what I am buying.

Best, SH

Desert Moon

Heck, they even bean Feuchtwanger tokens, and because of an inquiry from HardTimes this past week ( ) they
finally list them in their Pop Report. Ikes/Schmikes, let's get all HTT's to be part of the beaning game......