Right back at you, dude. I'm a mathematical person. Like it or not, there are still at least 489,000 Brett rookies that haven't been graded. Even if only 1% eventually come back as a PSA 9, that's another 4,890 more in the market.
I'm guessing that you're sitting on a PSA 9 Brett thinking you will sell it in the future to send your kids through college. Don't bet on it. The graded card market is headed for a big crash. I've seen this hype "investing" in sports cards before and this one about ready to burst.
First off, I doubt there's that many Brett rookies waiting in unopened material. So far only 292,000 cards from that year have been graded and only 10 Bretts made a 10.
I am only talking about the regular issue.
Even if there is that much unopened, most of it is going to remain that way, so we'll never know. With the prices of unopened what it is, it would be insanity to rip a box of 1975 Topps, you might not even get a Brett and even at a 1% chance of getting a 10, you would be throwing away a lot of money.
The way PSA is grading 1975's right now would suggest that 1% is much to high a number for cards coming back in a 10.
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Right back at you, dude. I'm a mathematical person. Like it or not, there are still at least 489,000 Brett rookies that haven't been graded. Even if only 1% eventually come back as a PSA 9, that's another 4,890 more in the market.
I'm guessing that you're sitting on a PSA 9 Brett thinking you will sell it in the future to send your kids through college. Don't bet on it. The graded card market is headed for a big crash. I've seen this hype "investing" in sports cards before and this one about ready to burst.
First off, I doubt there's that many Brett rookies waiting in unopened material. So far only 292,000 cards from that year have been graded and only 10 Bretts made a 10.
I am only talking about the regular issue.
Even if there is that much unopened, most of it is going to remain that way, so we'll never know. With the prices of unopened what it is, it would be insanity to rip a box of 1975 Topps, you might not even get a Brett and even at a 1% chance of getting a 10, you would be throwing away a lot of money.
The way PSA is grading 1975's right now would suggest that 1% is much to high a number for cards coming back in a 10.
And, of course, most of the Bretts that are already out of packs are likely 2 or 3s at best right now.
If you're willing to say there are a bunch of Larkin rookies in 9 that haven't been slabbed yet, I might buy that, but those cards simply don't exist before about 1987. Even then there aren't tons of Larkins in 10 out there.
Right back at you, dude. I'm a mathematical person. Like it or not, there are still at least 489,000 Brett rookies that haven't been graded. Even if only 1% eventually come back as a PSA 9, that's another 4,890 more in the market.
I'm guessing that you're sitting on a PSA 9 Brett thinking you will sell it in the future to send your kids through college. Don't bet on it. The graded card market is headed for a big crash. I've seen this hype "investing" in sports cards before and this one about ready to burst.
First off, I doubt there's that many Brett rookies waiting in unopened material. So far only 292,000 cards from that year have been graded and only 10 Bretts made a 10.
I am only talking about the regular issue.
Even if there is that much unopened, most of it is going to remain that way, so we'll never know. With the prices of unopened what it is, it would be insanity to rip a box of 1975 Topps, you might not even get a Brett and even at a 1% chance of getting a 10, you would be throwing away a lot of money.
The way PSA is grading 1975's right now would suggest that 1% is much to high a number for cards coming back in a 10.
And, of course, most of the Bretts that are already out of packs are likely 2 or 3s at best right now.
If you're willing to say there are a bunch of Larkin rookies in 9 that haven't been slabbed yet, I might buy that, but those cards simply don't exist before about 1987. Even then there aren't tons of Larkins in 10 out there.
Larkin rookie, here's one right in my wheelhouse.
Just before things went crazy I bought some 1987 Topps unopened. 8 vending boxes 4 wax boxes and a couple of rack boxes. Ended up with about 12,000 cards.
Sent in the 3 best Larkins out of the 10 or so I pulled and one came back a 10. All 3 looked perfect.
I did not get any 10's at all on the Barry Bonds card, I did get a couple of 9's that were slightly off center. I wasn't expecting 10's on the Bonds cards, only sent them in because they were selling for a nice amount in a 9.
A person could draw the conclusion that with PSA's super strict grading on 1975's and the tremendous cost of even one wax box, you might not be seeing very many newly graded Brett 10's in your lifetime. I am not sure how much 1975 rack is out there, I'm guessing most of the unopened is wax and most of the cards are "garbage".
I would say the best bet at any more being graded would be from "old timers" who bought a bunch of singles back in the day digging them out and having some nice ones. Of course back in 1975 not a lot of collectors were looking for PSA 10 level cards, if they were a little off center, no one (or very very few) really cared.
The thought that there are a lot of 10's in unopened is completely wrong. I actually didn't open the last box of wax packs on my 1987 break because the cards were garbage, vending wasn't much better. Most of my high grade cards came from the rack packs.
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Right back at you, dude. I'm a mathematical person. Like it or not, there are still at least 489,000 Brett rookies that haven't been graded. Even if only 1% eventually come back as a PSA 9, that's another 4,890 more in the market.
I'm guessing that you're sitting on a PSA 9 Brett thinking you will sell it in the future to send your kids through college. Don't bet on it. The graded card market is headed for a big crash. I've seen this hype "investing" in sports cards before and this one about ready to burst.
I'd be willing to wager that at least half those cards found their way to the trash heap over the past 46 years. There are certainly more Brett RC PSA 9's out there but the population hasn't exploded despite the value of the card. I scan most '75 sets that hit the market and 99% of them are less than NM-MT quality. If there's 250,000 remaining, the amount of PSA 9's would likely be less than 1% since most of the cards that didn't get thrown out still got handled over the years. Then add to that the centering and print issues that plague many Topps issues of that era. To date, only 2.8% of the cherry picked population submitted to PSA graded out a 9. And that's factoring in the looser standards of 20 years ago and the fact unopened was still fairly plentiful in the late 90s and early 2000s.
Right back at you, dude. I'm a mathematical person. Like it or not, there are still at least 489,000 Brett rookies that haven't been graded. Even if only 1% eventually come back as a PSA 9, that's another 4,890 more in the market.
I'm guessing that you're sitting on a PSA 9 Brett thinking you will sell it in the future to send your kids through college. Don't bet on it. The graded card market is headed for a big crash. I've seen this hype "investing" in sports cards before and this one about ready to burst.
I don’t typically engage in these debates, unless I have some data to help the discussion. Having opened hundreds of early 80s Topps boxes over the past four years in my rip thread, I can confirm the odds of hitting PSA 10 worthy cards is 1.0%-1.5% when pack fresh. The odds of a well centered MINT 9 card by today’s grading standards is 4-6%, with the remaining 94% of pack fresh cards falling in the PSA 7-8 range. Most cards are plagued with 70/30 centering or worse, print defects/spots or edge chipping. Add in colored borders like 1975 and 1986 and the odds get cut in half. Since the rip value of 1975 boxes/packs isn’t there, very little will be opened going forward as it is worth more unopened as the supply has dwindled. This means the ungraded population (which others speculate to be 489,000) are sitting in binders, shoeboxes or many thrown away over the years. Factor in that most of the 1975 population was opened by kids the year of issue before collectors placed cards in protectors or boxes specifically designed for baseball card storage. This means the cards were moving around in shoeboxes, drawers, Tupperware containers or plastic baggies. If we speculate that 5-10% of collectors were adult investors who stored properly after opening, and know that 3% have a pack fresh chance at PSA 9 or better, we arrive at 750-1500 potential Brett PSA 9. Today, 11,000 have been graded with only 310 PSA 9 and 10 PSA 10. Ironically (or not) this is a 2.9% rate of PSA 9 or better, consistent with my ripping experience. Net, could the population of PSA 9 eventually double…possibly. Will it go up 16x as speculated here…no chance.
@JoeBanzai said:
You might also think about the fact that when this card started taking off, everyone sent theirs in if it had the slightest chance at a 9 or 10.
This was me. This was one of the first cards I had graded, thought it had a shot at a 9. I guess I was naive about the top/bottom centering but still think it could’ve got an 8.
@JoeBanzai said:
You might also think about the fact that when this card started taking off, everyone sent theirs in if it had the slightest chance at a 9 or 10.
This was me. This was one of the first cards I had graded, thought it had a shot at a 9. I guess I was naive about the top/bottom centering but still think it could’ve got an 8.
But I'd be willing to wager REAL money (like college+med school tuition money) that there are not even close to 500,000 Bretts available for grading on this planet.
@Shamvette5 said: @daltex That's quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Sounds personal.
No, sarcastic. I thought it was in the same vein as saying Brett's lifetime stats were underwhelming. It's hard to make a case that Brett's not a top five all-time third baseman, with Boggs, Beltre, Matthews, and Schmidt. And yet @KendallCat appeared to say that he wasn't close.
You are seeing things you want to see rather than taking my comments for face value. Brett is an all time great at 3b and his rookie card along with Schmidt, Ozzie, Murray… is one of the keys to the 70’s. I looked up his stats for his career and was shocked at what I saw. I honestly thought he had better overall stats for his career. My comments about underwhelming were in relation to what I thought he had done his career average and HR wise. Thought he was a .320 lifetime average with about 400 HR’s.
Brett should have won 3 MVPs - 1980 - 1976 and 1985. He played in a down offensive era in a tough ballpark.
Don't agree with '85, '76 , I don't agree at all. Let me guess u are anti-Yankee. For 1979 however a solid case can be made.
If Brett had not played his last 2 years his lifetime BA woudl be even more impressive. although as I understand it BA means nothing in today's game SMH....
Mattingly should have won the MVP in 86 not 85. Brett's year was more impressive. Could you imagine if Brett had Henderson leading off? 79 Lynn was the MVP.
@Shamvette5 said: @daltex That's quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Sounds personal.
No, sarcastic. I thought it was in the same vein as saying Brett's lifetime stats were underwhelming. It's hard to make a case that Brett's not a top five all-time third baseman, with Boggs, Beltre, Matthews, and Schmidt. And yet @KendallCat appeared to say that he wasn't close.
You are seeing things you want to see rather than taking my comments for face value. Brett is an all time great at 3b and his rookie card along with Schmidt, Ozzie, Murray… is one of the keys to the 70’s. I looked up his stats for his career and was shocked at what I saw. I honestly thought he had better overall stats for his career. My comments about underwhelming were in relation to what I thought he had done his career average and HR wise. Thought he was a .320 lifetime average with about 400 HR’s.
Brett should have won 3 MVPs - 1980 - 1976 and 1985. He played in a down offensive era in a tough ballpark.
Don't agree with '85, '76 , I don't agree at all. Let me guess u are anti-Yankee. For 1979 however a solid case can be made.
If Brett had not played his last 2 years his lifetime BA woudl be even more impressive. although as I understand it BA means nothing in today's game SMH....
Mattingly should have won the MVP in 86 not 85. Brett's year was more impressive. Could you imagine if Brett had Henderson leading off? 79 Lynn was the MVP.
I take Boggs in a squeaker over Mattingly in 1986, but it's academic because of the intangibles attached to Clemens that year. He would not have been denied. It boggles my mind to see stats suggesting that Teddy Higuera (or Clemens in 1987) was even better. Still, how on earth could Boggs, far and away the best position player on the pennant winner, finish seventh?
@Shamvette5 said: @daltex That's quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Sounds personal.
No, sarcastic. I thought it was in the same vein as saying Brett's lifetime stats were underwhelming. It's hard to make a case that Brett's not a top five all-time third baseman, with Boggs, Beltre, Matthews, and Schmidt. And yet @KendallCat appeared to say that he wasn't close.
You are seeing things you want to see rather than taking my comments for face value. Brett is an all time great at 3b and his rookie card along with Schmidt, Ozzie, Murray… is one of the keys to the 70’s. I looked up his stats for his career and was shocked at what I saw. I honestly thought he had better overall stats for his career. My comments about underwhelming were in relation to what I thought he had done his career average and HR wise. Thought he was a .320 lifetime average with about 400 HR’s.
Brett should have won 3 MVPs - 1980 - 1976 and 1985. He played in a down offensive era in a tough ballpark.
Don't agree with '85, '76 , I don't agree at all. Let me guess u are anti-Yankee. For 1979 however a solid case can be made.
If Brett had not played his last 2 years his lifetime BA woudl be even more impressive. although as I understand it BA means nothing in today's game SMH....
Mattingly should have won the MVP in 86 not 85. Brett's year was more impressive. Could you imagine if Brett had Henderson leading off? 79 Lynn was the MVP.
Can't understand how Lynn didn't win in 1979. Clear winner.
I would go with Boggs in 1985, but Brett would have been a fine choice, as would have Rickey. Mattingly wins because he got screwed the year before?
Pitchers should not win MVP imo, Mattingly is a good choice in 1986. I would not like to have seen Boggs walk off with the award, although he does have great numbers.
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Freddie Lynn not winning the 79 mvp is a travesty as pointed out. If he lost out to Brett I could at least understand it. But they BOTH finished behind Ken Singleton AND Baylor, which is just nuts.
If Lynn wins that MVP, all the Sox fans are pushing him for HOF, not Dwight Evans. Neither ultimately deserving, in my opinion, but Lynn was the superior player and seems forgotten because he didn’t stay as long in Boston.
Nope, I'm sure you're not a numbers guy. You're not too bright, but that's okay. Must be a Yankees fan.
Yes, Topps did print at least 500,000 of each card in 1975 and probably a lot more than that. Topps printed one million of each card in 1980, so common sense dictates that the print numbers in 1975 would be closer to 700,000 of each card. Some have been lost or destroyed, but the hobby was well established by 1975, so not too many were just tossed in the trash.
Bottom line, I hate to burst your investment bubble, but there's still thousands of PSA 9 Brett rookie out there waiting to be graded.
I think one of the earlier posts about trout card prices kind of sums it up. If you are willing to $10,000 - $50,000 for a Mike Trout then a psa 9 brett seems like a great buy. Just think how much the opc psa 9 should go for. Very rare.
Bottom line, I hate to burst your investment bubble, but there's still thousands of PSA 9 Brett rookie out there waiting to be graded.
Dude, have you ever submitted a thing? Cuz you kinda sound like you think every card is a 9 or 10 out of the pack.
Clearly not.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
@GreenSneakers said:
Freddie Lynn not winning the 79 mvp is a travesty as pointed out. If he lost out to Brett I could at least understand it. But they BOTH finished behind Ken Singleton AND Baylor, which is just nuts.
If Lynn wins that MVP, all the Sox fans are pushing him for HOF, not Dwight Evans. Neither ultimately deserving, in my opinion, but Lynn was the superior player and seems forgotten because he didn’t stay as long in Boston.
It is baffling that the third best member of that outfield is the one who made it to the HoF.
If you look at careers, Evans and Rice have similar numbers, with Lynn behind due to his numerous injuries. Lynn certainly was on track for the HOF, a shame as he was trending as the best of the trio.
Evans' WAR was highest, and his defense and arm were very impressive. Certainly underrated, and a borderline HOF candidate. Especially when others who weren't as impressive have been voted in.
I've argued Evans was more valuable than Rice to many Sox fans. Rice had a few big seasons (like Dale Murphy and Don Mattingly) while Evans had the more consistent career. If todays analytic minds were around back then Evans would certainly get some serious consideration to the HOF.
Great to see cards from this time period skyrocketing.
If you take the Warren Buffett approach into card collecting, you will do well $ wise.
I bought a 1976 Topps George Brett in SGC 80 (old label) for $60 -- with no print smudges. That card is much tougher to find than his rookie. I have that same card in an 8.5 -- I would argue his 1976 Topps card is tougher in high grade, when compared to any of his 1975 cards...
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Interesting discussion. Approx 14 years ago I knew I guy who bought a legit 75 sealed rack case. He unfortunately opened all but one of the boxes at the time. He sold the one he didn’t open. Most of the cards were amazing with varying centering and some minor PD. Many many PSA 8s,9s, and 10s came from it. Not one of the Brett’s were among those. Did pull a yount 9 and a Ryan 8.5 that should have been a 9 all day. IMO the Brett is not an especially difficult card but the population is not going to explode in 9s and 10s anytime in the near future.
What does baffle me after all these years is having gone through boxes of mint bricks of 100+ of the same common player and often wondered where is the brick of the HOFers. Are they still stashed ungraded? If so.. then why not?
Great to see people giving the 76 Brett some props. 76 Brett is a beast to find centered and clean print-wise. I found this 76 raw many years ago. Wouldn't trade it for an average centered 8 and cash. To me, having seen hundreds if not thousands of this card over the years, the rarity of this one's centering makes it my favorite. I even once at a National was considering a PSA 9. I had this 7 with me. Along with a few friends. We put them side by side and stepped back a few feet, and we all preferred the 7 because the centering blew the 9's out of the water.
Beautiful 76 Brett cards! That one is far tougher to find in higher grade than the 75.
My 76 Brett (still under wrap)..
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Wow! The centering in combo w/eye-popping color and registration makes that PSA-7 '76 Brett very special. I am surprised it isn't graded higher like a PSA-7.5 or 8.
Wow! The centering in combo w/eye-popping color and registration makes that PSA-7 '76 Brett very special. I am surprised it isn't graded higher like a PSA-7.5 or 8.
Thanks, man. Appreciate that. I think the grader on its day in court hit the corners real hard and didn't really take the rare centering into account. I think it is probably a 7.5 most of the time and on a lucky day could be an 8 considering the honest corner wear on top right. It'll always be a favorite card to me; when I just sent like half my collection out to pay for my new e121 Ruth, that little Brett was one of the few 70s/80s pieces that stayed with me!
@countdouglas said:
I don't know about a reasonable dollar value, but I do know that it is only logical that the price for a George Brett rookie card should actually start around the equivalent of 50-100 Mike Trout rookie cards.
for me, I have schmidt and brett at 1 and 2. but Beltre ranks very high for me, possibly 3rd because of the combination of elite defense and very very solid hitting. I would put boggs and either chipper or Matthews in to round out my top 5. chipper may rank 6th for me because of very poor defense.
I think Mathews is number 2 and a cut above Beltre, Brett, Boggs and Jones. He is very underrated decades of playing most of his career with Aaron.
For me it is
Schmidt
Mathews
Brett
Boggs
Beltre
Jones
However, 3-6 are so close I can be convinced any if the four are 3rd.
This assumes someone has to have played the majority of games at 3B. A-Rod has over 1000 games at 3B and would be my number 1. However he played more games at SS.
@brad31 said:
I think Mathews is number 2 and a cut above Beltre, Brett, Boggs and Jones. He is very underrated decades of playing most of his career with Aaron.
For me it is
Schmidt
Mathews
Brett
Boggs
Beltre
Jones
However, 3-6 are so close I can be convinced any if the four are 3rd.
This assumes someone has to have played the majority of games at 3B. A-Rod has over 1000 games at 3B and would be my number 1. However he played more games at SS.
Fun discussion.
This ^
Schmidt is one for sure and people need to look at Matthew’s numbers again - had some monster years. Also, any list without Brooks is not valid. Ishtar get some who say his offense was average, but he does have an MVP award and if his offense was average and he is in the discussion for GOAT 3b thst tells you how good his defense was.
@craig44 said:
for me, I have schmidt and brett at 1 and 2. but Beltre ranks very high for me, possibly 3rd because of the combination of elite defense and very very solid hitting. I would put boggs and either chipper or Matthews in to round out my top 5. chipper may rank 6th for me because of very poor defense.
You are CRIMINALLY under rating Mathews!
Ed was nearly the equal to Mike. Brett was a little lacking in the HR department with 1 HR for every 33 AB. Not good enough for a corner infield spot imo.
If you bring fielding into it and reduce the importance of being a "slugger", Boggs then becomes a better 3rd baseman than Brett, but not by much.
Beltre might have been the best fielder of the bunch, but his hitting was so far inferior to Jones', I couldn't say he was "better" than Chipper.
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First off, I doubt there's that many Brett rookies waiting in unopened material. So far only 292,000 cards from that year have been graded and only 10 Bretts made a 10.
I am only talking about the regular issue.
Even if there is that much unopened, most of it is going to remain that way, so we'll never know. With the prices of unopened what it is, it would be insanity to rip a box of 1975 Topps, you might not even get a Brett and even at a 1% chance of getting a 10, you would be throwing away a lot of money.
The way PSA is grading 1975's right now would suggest that 1% is much to high a number for cards coming back in a 10.
And, of course, most of the Bretts that are already out of packs are likely 2 or 3s at best right now.
If you're willing to say there are a bunch of Larkin rookies in 9 that haven't been slabbed yet, I might buy that, but those cards simply don't exist before about 1987. Even then there aren't tons of Larkins in 10 out there.
Larkin rookie, here's one right in my wheelhouse.
Just before things went crazy I bought some 1987 Topps unopened. 8 vending boxes 4 wax boxes and a couple of rack boxes. Ended up with about 12,000 cards.
Sent in the 3 best Larkins out of the 10 or so I pulled and one came back a 10. All 3 looked perfect.
I did not get any 10's at all on the Barry Bonds card, I did get a couple of 9's that were slightly off center. I wasn't expecting 10's on the Bonds cards, only sent them in because they were selling for a nice amount in a 9.
A person could draw the conclusion that with PSA's super strict grading on 1975's and the tremendous cost of even one wax box, you might not be seeing very many newly graded Brett 10's in your lifetime. I am not sure how much 1975 rack is out there, I'm guessing most of the unopened is wax and most of the cards are "garbage".
I would say the best bet at any more being graded would be from "old timers" who bought a bunch of singles back in the day digging them out and having some nice ones. Of course back in 1975 not a lot of collectors were looking for PSA 10 level cards, if they were a little off center, no one (or very very few) really cared.
The thought that there are a lot of 10's in unopened is completely wrong. I actually didn't open the last box of wax packs on my 1987 break because the cards were garbage, vending wasn't much better. Most of my high grade cards came from the rack packs.
I'd be willing to wager that at least half those cards found their way to the trash heap over the past 46 years. There are certainly more Brett RC PSA 9's out there but the population hasn't exploded despite the value of the card. I scan most '75 sets that hit the market and 99% of them are less than NM-MT quality. If there's 250,000 remaining, the amount of PSA 9's would likely be less than 1% since most of the cards that didn't get thrown out still got handled over the years. Then add to that the centering and print issues that plague many Topps issues of that era. To date, only 2.8% of the cherry picked population submitted to PSA graded out a 9. And that's factoring in the looser standards of 20 years ago and the fact unopened was still fairly plentiful in the late 90s and early 2000s.
I don’t typically engage in these debates, unless I have some data to help the discussion. Having opened hundreds of early 80s Topps boxes over the past four years in my rip thread, I can confirm the odds of hitting PSA 10 worthy cards is 1.0%-1.5% when pack fresh. The odds of a well centered MINT 9 card by today’s grading standards is 4-6%, with the remaining 94% of pack fresh cards falling in the PSA 7-8 range. Most cards are plagued with 70/30 centering or worse, print defects/spots or edge chipping. Add in colored borders like 1975 and 1986 and the odds get cut in half. Since the rip value of 1975 boxes/packs isn’t there, very little will be opened going forward as it is worth more unopened as the supply has dwindled. This means the ungraded population (which others speculate to be 489,000) are sitting in binders, shoeboxes or many thrown away over the years. Factor in that most of the 1975 population was opened by kids the year of issue before collectors placed cards in protectors or boxes specifically designed for baseball card storage. This means the cards were moving around in shoeboxes, drawers, Tupperware containers or plastic baggies. If we speculate that 5-10% of collectors were adult investors who stored properly after opening, and know that 3% have a pack fresh chance at PSA 9 or better, we arrive at 750-1500 potential Brett PSA 9. Today, 11,000 have been graded with only 310 PSA 9 and 10 PSA 10. Ironically (or not) this is a 2.9% rate of PSA 9 or better, consistent with my ripping experience. Net, could the population of PSA 9 eventually double…possibly. Will it go up 16x as speculated here…no chance.
You might also think about the fact that when this card started taking off, everyone sent theirs in if it had the slightest chance at a 9 or 10.
This was me. This was one of the first cards I had graded, thought it had a shot at a 9. I guess I was naive about the top/bottom centering but still think it could’ve got an 8.
Yowza…that is the nicest PSA 7 I have ever seen!
I own only one decent vintage single card and it’s the Brett Mini in a 9. That I got from Keith (Kendall)
Pass it on to the kids. Go up or down.
I'm not a "numbers guy" like Mr.Tim
But I'd be willing to wager REAL money (like college+med school tuition money) that there are not even close to 500,000 Bretts available for grading on this planet.
@mrburns443 that is a great looking 7!!! I would have expected at least an 8 as long as the back is ok and no hard-to-see wrinkles.
I pulled these 2 myself as a kid. These are straight from packs but since yours only got a 7 these would probably grade about the same.
Nice looking cards.
Top one has some tilt, bottom has several print spots.
Really great cards!
Mattingly should have won the MVP in 86 not 85. Brett's year was more impressive. Could you imagine if Brett had Henderson leading off? 79 Lynn was the MVP.
I take Boggs in a squeaker over Mattingly in 1986, but it's academic because of the intangibles attached to Clemens that year. He would not have been denied. It boggles my mind to see stats suggesting that Teddy Higuera (or Clemens in 1987) was even better. Still, how on earth could Boggs, far and away the best position player on the pennant winner, finish seventh?
Can't understand how Lynn didn't win in 1979. Clear winner.
I would go with Boggs in 1985, but Brett would have been a fine choice, as would have Rickey. Mattingly wins because he got screwed the year before?
Pitchers should not win MVP imo, Mattingly is a good choice in 1986. I would not like to have seen Boggs walk off with the award, although he does have great numbers.
Freddie Lynn not winning the 79 mvp is a travesty as pointed out. If he lost out to Brett I could at least understand it. But they BOTH finished behind Ken Singleton AND Baylor, which is just nuts.
If Lynn wins that MVP, all the Sox fans are pushing him for HOF, not Dwight Evans. Neither ultimately deserving, in my opinion, but Lynn was the superior player and seems forgotten because he didn’t stay as long in Boston.
Nope, I'm sure you're not a numbers guy. You're not too bright, but that's okay. Must be a Yankees fan.
Yes, Topps did print at least 500,000 of each card in 1975 and probably a lot more than that. Topps printed one million of each card in 1980, so common sense dictates that the print numbers in 1975 would be closer to 700,000 of each card. Some have been lost or destroyed, but the hobby was well established by 1975, so not too many were just tossed in the trash.
Bottom line, I hate to burst your investment bubble, but there's still thousands of PSA 9 Brett rookie out there waiting to be graded.
Lynn should've won the 79 MVP. Very impressive stats that year.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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Lynn was the superior player when at his best - but his best was very short-lived. Evans was a much more valuable player throughout his career.
I think one of the earlier posts about trout card prices kind of sums it up. If you are willing to $10,000 - $50,000 for a Mike Trout then a psa 9 brett seems like a great buy. Just think how much the opc psa 9 should go for. Very rare.
Dude, have you ever submitted a thing? Cuz you kinda sound like you think every card is a 9 or 10 out of the pack.
Clearly not.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
It is baffling that the third best member of that outfield is the one who made it to the HoF.
If you look at careers, Evans and Rice have similar numbers, with Lynn behind due to his numerous injuries. Lynn certainly was on track for the HOF, a shame as he was trending as the best of the trio.
Evans' WAR was highest, and his defense and arm were very impressive. Certainly underrated, and a borderline HOF candidate. Especially when others who weren't as impressive have been voted in.
I've argued Evans was more valuable than Rice to many Sox fans. Rice had a few big seasons (like Dale Murphy and Don Mattingly) while Evans had the more consistent career. If todays analytic minds were around back then Evans would certainly get some serious consideration to the HOF.
Great to see cards from this time period skyrocketing.
If you take the Warren Buffett approach into card collecting, you will do well $ wise.
I bought a 1976 Topps George Brett in SGC 80 (old label) for $60 -- with no print smudges. That card is much tougher to find than his rookie. I have that same card in an 8.5 -- I would argue his 1976 Topps card is tougher in high grade, when compared to any of his 1975 cards...
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Interesting discussion. Approx 14 years ago I knew I guy who bought a legit 75 sealed rack case. He unfortunately opened all but one of the boxes at the time. He sold the one he didn’t open. Most of the cards were amazing with varying centering and some minor PD. Many many PSA 8s,9s, and 10s came from it. Not one of the Brett’s were among those. Did pull a yount 9 and a Ryan 8.5 that should have been a 9 all day. IMO the Brett is not an especially difficult card but the population is not going to explode in 9s and 10s anytime in the near future.
What does baffle me after all these years is having gone through boxes of mint bricks of 100+ of the same common player and often wondered where is the brick of the HOFers. Are they still stashed ungraded? If so.. then why not?
I would absolutely agree that the 76 brett is a bear in high grade. horrible centering and print issues with that card.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
My baby
Balco...
Stunning card!
Mintonlypls
Thanks v much. Something about 8.5s….
Great to see people giving the 76 Brett some props. 76 Brett is a beast to find centered and clean print-wise. I found this 76 raw many years ago. Wouldn't trade it for an average centered 8 and cash. To me, having seen hundreds if not thousands of this card over the years, the rarity of this one's centering makes it my favorite. I even once at a National was considering a PSA 9. I had this 7 with me. Along with a few friends. We put them side by side and stepped back a few feet, and we all preferred the 7 because the centering blew the 9's out of the water.
Beautiful 76 Brett cards! That one is far tougher to find in higher grade than the 75.
My 76 Brett (still under wrap)..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Wow, never seen one in a pack before. Awesome piece and rich color, my man.
DM23HOF...
Wow! The centering in combo w/eye-popping color and registration makes that PSA-7 '76 Brett very special. I am surprised it isn't graded higher like a PSA-7.5 or 8.
Cool rack Tim. The colors are bold on that card. Can you see any of the print flaws typical for that card?
Thanks, man. Appreciate that. I think the grader on its day in court hit the corners real hard and didn't really take the rare centering into account. I think it is probably a 7.5 most of the time and on a lucky day could be an 8 considering the honest corner wear on top right. It'll always be a favorite card to me; when I just sent like half my collection out to pay for my new e121 Ruth, that little Brett was one of the few 70s/80s pieces that stayed with me!
Tim - sweet rack with the 76 Brett. Need to show a photo of the 75 with the 76 side by side.
yup
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_from_Panama
brett is the greatest!! after Carew of course
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_from_Panama
Brett missed a lot of games in season thus his counting stats are lean for a guy w 21 years.
I have him behind Schmidt and Beltre, ahead of Boggs and tight w Matthew's.
Beautiful cards fellas. I just got an 8 back and love it.
I did pick mine up a little while ago. Always a card and player that I admired and wanted for the collection.
Vintage Rookies
Chipper Jones anywhere on your radar?
for me, I have schmidt and brett at 1 and 2. but Beltre ranks very high for me, possibly 3rd because of the combination of elite defense and very very solid hitting. I would put boggs and either chipper or Matthews in to round out my top 5. chipper may rank 6th for me because of very poor defense.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
that is a FANTASTIC example of the Brett rookie!!
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I think Mathews is number 2 and a cut above Beltre, Brett, Boggs and Jones. He is very underrated decades of playing most of his career with Aaron.
For me it is
Schmidt
Mathews
Brett
Boggs
Beltre
Jones
However, 3-6 are so close I can be convinced any if the four are 3rd.
This assumes someone has to have played the majority of games at 3B. A-Rod has over 1000 games at 3B and would be my number 1. However he played more games at SS.
Fun discussion.
This ^
Schmidt is one for sure and people need to look at Matthew’s numbers again - had some monster years. Also, any list without Brooks is not valid. Ishtar get some who say his offense was average, but he does have an MVP award and if his offense was average and he is in the discussion for GOAT 3b thst tells you how good his defense was.
You are CRIMINALLY under rating Mathews!
Ed was nearly the equal to Mike. Brett was a little lacking in the HR department with 1 HR for every 33 AB. Not good enough for a corner infield spot imo.
If you bring fielding into it and reduce the importance of being a "slugger", Boggs then becomes a better 3rd baseman than Brett, but not by much.
Beltre might have been the best fielder of the bunch, but his hitting was so far inferior to Jones', I couldn't say he was "better" than Chipper.
Just for the record,Beltre had a higher WAR,more hits and HR's then Chipper.
How much did it sale for is one of the funniest and most ignorant things I've ever heard.