1921 Peace and 1921 Morgan with WRNC counterstamp.....Am I missing any important VAM's

coinsarefun

I just couldn't resist picking up a 1921 Peace Dollar and 1921 Morgan with the 75th Anniversary of The Western Reserve Numismatic Club counter struck. I thought it makes a nice addition to my growing WRNC collection.
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I haven't been keeping up with VAM's and wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything important but they both look pretty basic
to me.....VAM wise, that is Awfully nice to have this pair and thanks to @ZoidMeister for pointing me in the right direction or I would have missed them!

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By the way....if they are a tad blurry or off color, I'm trying to get used to wearing bifocals.....ugh, very difficult

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ZoidMeister

Gorgeous . . . . . .

younique

Very impressive ! Are you from the Cleveland area

coinsarefun

@younique said:
Very impressive ! Are you from the Cleveland area

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Thanks, Yes.....I am from Cleveland

anablep

Very cool & unique set!

ricko

@coinsarefun ... Very nice coins Stef.... By the way... Progressive lens are much better than bifocals... just takes a couple of days to acclimate... Then so very much better. Cheers, RickO

Zoins

These are so awesome Stef! Congrats and thanks for sharing these!

Will you be sending them in to PCGS?

Here's one to show that PCGS does slab these!

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1012620/pcgs-slabbing-western-reserve-numismatic-club-counterstamps

DennisH

There are currently 457 known different 1921-P Morgan VAMs. The most important attribution feature by far is the tiny and exceedingly variable pattern of hand-engraved scribbles located in the small recessed area on either side of the eagle's right (viewer's left) leg. Scribbles appear on the vast majority of 1921-Ps and are literally a unique 'fingerprint' for 1921-P Morgan VAMs. Alas, the counterstamp totally covers that part of the coin. Die cracks are a second-best approach, but your coin looks to to be an Early Die State, which means cracks hadn't yet developed. (There appears to be a planchet lamination through the S in PLURIBUS, but that doesn't make it a VAM.)

Bottom line, it's 99% impossible to make a VAM assignment to your Morgan. But I can definitely rule out what are far, far and away (by light years) the 2 rarest and most desireable VAMs (19B and 44).

coinsarefun

@Zoins yes, I thought to send them in and maybe my NGC gold c/s too……just to keep it in the “family”
And trueviews as well.

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@DennisH thanks. I thought as much but can’t thank you enough for confirming it. I really appreciate it.

coinsarefun

@ricko said:
@coinsarefun ... Very nice coins Stef.... By the way... Progressive lens are much better than bifocals... just takes a couple of days to acclimate... Then so very much better. Cheers, RickO

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Hi ricko, yes they are progressive……forgot to mention that(kinda new at these things)
But by the time it gets to the seeing up close area it’s a tiny little area at the bottom of the lens……shezz, sucks getting older

ricko

@coinsarefun... Yes... Getting old is not for the weak. Cheers, RickO

ZoidMeister

A few glamor shots for Steph.

This one is really deep.

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coinsarefun

Awesome @ZoidMeister ……love it

ZoidMeister

A proof Kennedy . . . .

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coinsarefun

Even nicer!

ZoidMeister

And a 1921-D Morgan . . . .

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coinkid855

How about this one?

ZoidMeister

@coinkid855 said:
How about this one?

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Sweet, with a population of 1.

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coinsarefun

@coinkid855 besides being one of one. That is Uber, doober, freaking cool!!
I want it

coinkid855

@ZoidMeister said:

@coinkid855 said:
How about this one?

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Sweet, with a population of 1.

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I didn't know there was a list! So cool!

ZoidMeister

@coinkid855 said:

@ZoidMeister said:

@coinkid855 said:
How about this one?

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Sweet, with a population of 1.

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I didn't know there was a list! So cool!

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Here you go, about halfway down the page.

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http://web.archive.org/web/20160413045548/http://gmmnut.com/gmm/gmm29.html

ZoidMeister

Possible predecessor to WRNC's counter-stamped 75th Anniversary coins?

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I ran across and picked up another "Western Reserve" type counter-stamped coin the other day. It is from a local numismatics club, the Metropolitan Coin Club of Atlanta.

If you ask me, this Kennedy half with the small 1994 dated counter-stamp bears all the hallmarks of being a Ron Landis / Joe Rust / GMM piece, but predates the Western Reserve version by a couple of years.

Could this possibly be an example that lead to the Western Reserve Numismatic Club's selection of Landis / GMM to counter-stamp their 75th Anniversary pieces in 1996?

This is the only example I have seen.

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(I just may have to join the Metropolitan Coin Club of Atlanta. I recently discovered that Bill Fivaz is a member and on the board . . . . . )
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ZoidMeister

I owe the acquisition of this one to my forum "guardian angel" and little sis . . . . . .

My 1921 Morgan $1 with the 100th Anniversary of The Western Reserve Numismatic Club counter strike by Ron Landis of Landis Studios.

I'm so excited about this one I'll probably cross post it across a few threads.

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shortnock

Those goobers...messing up nice coins. Goobers!

coinsarefun

@ZoidMeister said:
I owe the acquisition of this one to my forum "guardian angel" and little sis . . . . . .

My 1921 Morgan $1 with the 100th Anniversary of The Western Reserve Numismatic Club counter strike by Ron Landis of Landis Studios.

I'm so excited about this one I'll probably cross post it across a few threads.

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Your pic’s look great. I haven’t seen any other 100th anniversary coins posted anywhere yet.
Also haven’t seen or heard of what and how many were c/s. I’m going to ask the secretary if we can get a final count.
But, I was assured it’s nowhere the amount as the 75th anniversary. They were more picky with membership this year
so people just could profit from the club. That I’m very happy with their decision .

morgansforever

That 21 Morgan appears to have PL fields or at least semi PL fields.

ZoidMeister

@morgansforever said:
That 21 Morgan appears to have PL fields or at least semi PL fields.

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I need to do a bit of research on an VAM designations. This one has quite a few interesting die cracks. I wouldn't put it at proof-like however.

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winscoutnc

Does anyone have a copy of the list of coins that were countermarked with the 75th anniversary mark? I saw that there is some sort of archive earlier in this string, but it was not complete. Thanks for your help.

messydesk

@ZoidMeister said:

@morgansforever said:
That 21 Morgan appears to have PL fields or at least semi PL fields.

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I need to do a bit of research on an VAM designations. This one has quite a few interesting die cracks. I wouldn't put it at proof-like however.

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Try VAM 86A.

coinsarefun

@messydesk said:

@ZoidMeister said:

I need to do a bit of research on an VAM designations. This one has quite a few interesting die cracks. I wouldn't put it at proof-like however.

Try VAM 86A.

Looks like your right John!

ZoidMeister

@winscoutnc said:
Does anyone have a copy of the list of coins that were countermarked with the 75th anniversary mark? I saw that there is some sort of archive earlier in this string, but it was not complete. Thanks for your help.

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Here is the best reference that I know of. It's about halfway down the page . . . . . .

https://web.archive.org/web/20160413045548/http://gmmnut.com/gmm/gmm29.html

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ZoidMeister

Incoming.

75th & 100th Anniversary Counterstamped

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messydesk

Cool counterstamps! Like a punch card. Collect 4 counterstamps and get 10% off your next purchase of any sandwich. Pity you might have to wait 50 years.

Che_Grapes

The 1921 peace is not a 1F, 1G or 1H and it is not the famous “ray over L” VAM either.
Those are the only ones that are really valued for the 21 Peace. They only made a million or so, not the millions and millions of Morgan’s in the same year so the Morgan’s have way more VAMs than the 21 Peace - but I looked closely and have confirmed you peace is not one of the key VAMs