I got regrades!!
bearcave
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All of these were NGC crossovers,
1945 S 50 cent from a 64 to 65
1880 S 1 $ from 64 to 64+ 
1885 O 1$ stayed at 64
1904 O 1$ went from 63 to 64.
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Was it worth the expense?
Was it worth the time?
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Good news.
I'm a little surprised since I think the prevailing thought is NGC is not as strict in their grading versus PCGS.
Nice results! Did you get true views done?
Yes
Yes
What time?
Nice! Now you have to post them when they come in.
We’re they older NGC holders?
That’s remarkable results as pcgs shows only 28% of coins submitted for crossover last month succeeded, and you got upgraded as well
Congratulations
That's fantastic. Unusual, from NGC to PCGS. Good decision, dude.
When the same happened to me. I was in shock!
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Two different pictures taken in two different light settings.
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--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.I'd say 2 different light settings. They were older NGC holders. Not the new ones anyway.
@bearcave... Very nice results....Were they in line with your expectations? (other than number two). Cheers, RickO
Seems like NGC is tougher than PCGS right now. Good news for crossovers. Hmm................
Did you ask for the NGC label to be returned or do they just do that as part of PCGS procedure? Nice upgrades!
I think I may do some more crossovers.
I find NGC grading to be as good as PCGS. Dont drink the Kool-Aid.
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Yes, PCGS just sent me it. I guess it's the normal procedure? Pretty cool. Thanks
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--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.My crossover submission posted grade today...about 4 hours ago
Look like the NGC PF70 Ultra Cameo Early Release crossed to PCGS PR70DCAM First Strike
Still waiting for the cert number to go active to confirm...anyone have any idea how long that takes?
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@ricko 2 & 3 I thought would go a point.
Wow! That is amazing. Wish more would post those type of crossover successes. Thanks for sharing.
Jim
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It's interesting to me how everyone views this as a random chance game. The likelihood of a coin crossing depends almost entirely on the quality of the coin, and comparatively little on random chance. I'm pretty sure some people here bat in the .800s and other's would be lucky to cross 1 in 20.
How could most go up a point? I thought the grading services were more or less similar in grading standards. Can you post a few pictures of some 1930 Walker or Peace dollars or whatever you have in their holders as examples > @Liquidated said:
We’re they all older holders?
I think you missed my point. This isn't about a random chance game but a pretty clearly held acknowledgement that PCGS is more stringent in their grading. The fact that so many of the NGC coins crossed, some at higher grades, goes against that educated outlook on these grading companies. The grades are according to these companies judgment on the quality of the coins, nothing random about it.
My first submission mentioned above has cleared...
Cert # went active almost exactly 12 hours after the CC billing and notification email
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Maybe you missed my point. For the sake of argument, let's assume PCGS is a little more "strict" than NGC, on average. Even if that's unquestionably true, it's completely irrelevant if we're talking about four specific coins.
If a person is able to identify undergraded coins in NGC holders, they stand a really high chance of crossing or even being "bumped up" a grade at PCGS.
Every TPG has coins out there that were graded a little too leniently or a little too strictly. The advantage goes to the one who can see the difference. Exceeding the average crossover rate isn't all that remarkable if the submitter is skilled enough to identify and submit the right coins.
My post was intended to be a compliment to the apparent grading skills of the OP, that's all.
Would you say it’s possible to identify strictly graded NGC coins on a regular basis and get upgrades at PCGS.
Well, any coins that make the rounds at a big show or auction are picked over by the usual crew of crackout and upgrade experts. Those that have potential don't survive out in the open very long, so it's not like they're all over the place, but yes, of course it's possible. An expert grader, over the course of a year or two, could easily identify quite a pile of coins that would have upgrade potential on crossover attempts. In reality, just as often, they'll be cracked out and submitted raw.
That's just my take on this funny grading game. I'm no expert, and I've never set out to make money dabbling in coins, but I've had some minor successes (and many failures) in limited areas.
In your response you make an assumption that isn't based on anything said by the OP. The OP referenced four coins. He said nothing about identifying them as being undergraded. Beyond that, if the general observation is NGC overgrades coins, why would he select coins considered undergraded by NGC to send to PCGS for grading since they are more than likely to not to cross given PCGS's higher stand. Actually the opposite would be true. He would have to believe the coins were solidly graded or better by NGC standards to make them worthy to send to PCGS, taking the chance they would cross. Again, the prevalent thought is an NGC 65 may only grade PCGS 64 OR 64+ and you've hit the jackpot if it come back PCGS 65.
Wow. I guess we're talking past each other. I'm scratching my head about what you just wrote. You think it's best to find outrageously overgraded coins and try to cross them? Am I reading that correctly? Let me try one more time...... and then I give up:
People said it was amazing his coins crossed and even upgraded. I said that to me it's not so amazing. He probably picked nice coins to try, and getting nice results isn't unusual if he knows what he's doing.
BTW, this would also be true in the opposite direction. I'm not picking on any grading company.
Somewhere I guess that was confusing????
Bryce would you also think that almost all coins over $500 that don’t have a CAC sticker have either failed at CAC or were not suitable for submission at CAC? Thanks for your feedback
Almost all? No way. There are plenty of graded coins in old collections out there that haven't been seen for ages. Plenty of others still haven't been graded at all. These gradually enter the marketplace at a certain rate. A huge number of collectors (the vast majority, probably) don't know or care about CAC.
Coins that have been bouncing around the show circuit, yeah, probably most of them, but that's only a little slice of the extant coins at any one time.
Coins in a big auction, yeah, most likely, but not always. Sometimes the consigners don't care, or don't have time to wait. Quite frequently coins are evaluated and they aren't worthy of the gamble. Those don't get submitted.
Sorry I meant to say the ones listed on the internet or internet auction sites
I'll try to clarify my point.
NGC is viewed as less stringent in their grading standards. If the OP went through his coins to select out coins that didn't fit what is considered typical to send in to cross the results wouldn't be a random chance effort at crossing the coins.
On the other hand absent an effort to be selective in picking coins to cross, a group of NGC coins were sent for crossing they would more than likely not cross at the same grade. I wouldn't consider this a random chance evident but a predictable event based on prior history.
Anyway, glad things worked out well for the OP.
I did go through them. NGC is right on with most, I thought these 4 had a better chance of going. I have submitted some that I cracked out of NGC holders
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PCGS automatically sends the NGC labels back in a flip. For old ANACS, you get the ANACS label attached to the entire white plastic gasket.
When I first read this post, I thought it was "regrets".
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And the physical coin arrived...inside a black PCGS case...today - First Strike (likely due to the NGC Early Release label on the crossover coin)
PCGS Certification claims it has an NFC Chip...but I don't see any indications on front/back
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Hi Gang, I will give my 2 cents on this topic. I have a broad range of both U.S. coins and world coins. I have found that it really depends on the type of coin that you are sending either grading company as to how they typically will grade them. I look at the grading companies population reports on what their percentages are in the grades that I am looking for. A large percent of the time there is 1 of them that gives significantly higher grades in that coin than the other. I have had coins crossed that have gone up 2 and at times 3 points on low population coins that 1 of the grading companies just has not seen very many of the type coins. Hopefully this makes sense, thanks
I don't. They may be good at adhering to their own standards, but their standards are slightly lower than PCGS for mid-grade seated Liberty halves. That doesn't stop me from looking and buying coins graded by both companies as well as ANACS.