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Do the Chiefs make the playoffs??

craig44craig44 Posts: 10,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

I thought they may have been back on track after last week, but they looked a mess again yesterday. It seems Kelce may be playing injured. Mahomes has come back to earth this season so far. poor decision making has him leading the league in Interceptions, and he has fumbled 4 times as well. He is ranked 15th in passer rating nearly halfway through the season.

They have what should be a winnable game coming up next Monday vs the Giants. then 3 more difficult games coming up after that.

KC is currently last in their division and 4th in the wild card standing. at nearly Halfway through the season, can they pull this off and make it to the tournament?

George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

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    2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,252 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 25, 2021 5:57AM

    Before you posted this I had looked at their schedule. After the Giants, ( can’t loss to the Giants can they)
    Packers
    Raiders
    Cowboys
    4-4 going into this stretch. I don’t know
    Unless they figure out how to run an offense without depending on chunk plays every possession and turn around the leagues worst defense it’s a real possibility they miss the playoffs. So many good teams in the AFC. Trying to leap frog everyone with 10 wins could be a struggle.

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    they should beat the Giants. Unless something drastic happens to shake them up, they will lose to both the packers and the cowboys. Raiders will be a close game. I think they are at best 5-6 going into their bye week, at worst 4-7 if they lose to the Raiders.

    they also have a couple of toughies after the bye. Unless Andy lights a fire under this team, I dont see them playing in January.

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    2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,252 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Isn’t that crazy? 4-7 and have to reel off 6 wins in a row just to get to 10-7 and a sniff at a wild card.

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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 25, 2021 6:09AM

    Do the Chiefs make the playoffs??

    no, I don't think they will. though they may figure something out and "right the ship" before it sinks, I believe they have been passed within their Division and caught by a number of Teams League-wide. what's interesting to me with Mahomes is that he started his career at the top and is only now, in his 5th season, feeling what it's like to lose. anyone who's been involved in Sports understands that the true measure of a champion is how they react to loss. thus far, Mahomes hasn't reacted well.

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @keets said:
    Do the Chiefs make the playoffs??

    no, I don't think they will. though they may figure something out and "right the ship" before it sinks, I believe they have been passed within their Division and caught by a number of Teams League-wide. what's interesting to me with Mahomes is that he started his career at the top and is only now, in his 5th season, feeling what it's like to lose. anyone who's been involved in Sports understands that the true measure of a champion is how they react to loss. thus far, Mahomes hasn't reacted well.

    very true. starting with the SB loss, this is the first extended bit of adversity Mahomes has tasted in the NFL. He seems to be pressing and trying to play above himself. The stress of this bad streak seems to be getting to him and the turnovers are piling up. He is on pace to throw over 20 INT. this season. I expect a big game from them against the Giants, but the 3 after that before their bye may seal their season.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

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    thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looking back at the Patriots run, we missed the playoffs directly in between our first and second Super Bowl win.

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    correct, then won 2 in a row!!

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    thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:
    correct, then won 2 in a row!!

    ,,,,,,
    you can look at this to put things in perspective, or to compare and contrast.

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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    the biggest thing I noticed with The Chiefs this season happened at the end of the 2nd game when they lost to The Ravens. on the last play, a kneel down by Lamar Jackson, several members of The Chiefs defense are standing around looking very dejected when the ball is snapped, then a few of them sprint off the field to the locker room. that's not typical of what we usually see from Teams no matter how bad a loss is. they hug each other, say "Hello" to friends on the other Team and acknowledge each other as a matter of routine.

    it was strange to see.

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    perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,512 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nope. They cannot fix what’s broken this year

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    doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 23,007 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't think they will make the playoffs either, this team is a mess.

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    HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very unlikely.

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    2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,252 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 25, 2021 11:24AM

    Is it too early to put the Chiefs dynasty talk to bed? Don’t you remember all the talking heads talking 5-6 rings?

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    perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,512 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @2dueces said:
    Is it too early to put the Chiefs dynasty talk to bed? Don’t you remember all the talking heads talking 5-6 rings?

    They just need some offensive lineman.

    Oh and an entirely new Defense 😂😂😂

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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Don’t you remember all the talking heads talking 5-6 rings??

    that's exactly what they were saying about The Seahawks after they won the SB. I made the comparison here with the Team and the QB and was pretty much told I was crazy.

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    tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭✭

    NO! Mahomes is not as good as he thinks he is. I hate his attitude.

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    2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,252 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @keets said:
    Don’t you remember all the talking heads talking 5-6 rings??

    that's exactly what they were saying about The Seahawks after they won the SB. I made the comparison here with the Team and the QB and was pretty much told I was crazy.

    Gotta blame Carroll for not having one on each hand.

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    thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @keets said:
    Don’t you remember all the talking heads talking 5-6 rings??

    that's exactly what they were saying about The Seahawks after they won the SB. I made the comparison here with the Team and the QB and was pretty much told I was crazy.

    ........
    I know I didn't tell you you were crazy. But I might have pointed out that it is different. In Mahomes you have a generational quarterback. I don't think any poor start to this season is enough to re-write that. The Chiefs can and probably will get things clicking again. But it takes lot to sustain it. The Patriots were an anomaly. When your QB is literally the GOAT and (yes, I'm giving him some credit) your coach is so focused and driven, it helps.

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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    you don't remember the talk about Wilson doing "this or that" in his first year, second year etc. faster than anyone ever?? that was all the talk. the style of play from Russell Wilson early on was quite similar, in fact I believe he was quicker than Mahomes and a better runner. as for the Teams, the biggest difference was that Seattle had a running game and a better defense.

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    the Seattle team that dismantled peyton manning was better than any of the chiefs teams of late

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,484 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 25, 2021 6:52PM

    The offensive line and the defense is sub-par for a play-off team. I say no. If this keeps up, Mahomes could get injured, and then it will be over.

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Mahomes did have to go through the concussion protocol. thankfully, he passed. head injuries are no joke.

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    HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 26, 2021 2:11PM

    Mahomes is way, way ahead on the Russell Wilson downward curve. All that running around takes it's toll. It's what it is.

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,484 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Running backs have some of the shortest careers in pro football. Quarterbacks who run around like running backs shorten their careers.

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    thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Hydrant said:
    Mahomes is way, way ahead on the Russell Wilson downward curve. All that running around takes it's toll. It's what it is.

    .......
    The future will let us know. In my opinion, this is not true, not what's happening.

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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    :)

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    KC got the win last night, but was very lackluster. only managed 2 TD against the Giants. Mahomes was unimpressive again. i think it was his 7th straight game with at least one interception. he made a number of bad throws and could have been picked a couple more times on balls that were dropped by defenders.

    he has been careless with throws throughout his career, this year his receivers are not bailing him out. at one point in the 2nd quarter I believe, he heaved it into a crowd of about 4 defenders and 1 WR. ball should have been picked, but went through defenders hands.

    QB rating of 74 last night.

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    ScoobyDoo2ScoobyDoo2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The NFL has taken the big play away from Mahomes and his patience isn't where it needs to be to just consistently take what the defense gives......The defense is content to make him complete 10 dink passes just waiting for mistakes which he is giving them.... Pass 1st motto is wearing thin.....IT'd be nice to see them invest in run 1st for a bit to allow for the longer passes on play action~ I think they make the playoffs barely but that 17h game might be the savior.

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    perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,512 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ScoobyDoo2 said:
    The NFL has taken the big play away from Mahomes and his patience isn't where it needs to be to just consistently take what the defense gives......The defense is content to make him complete 10 dink passes just waiting for mistakes which he is giving them.... Pass 1st motto is wearing thin.....IT'd be nice to see them invest in run 1st for a bit to allow for the longer passes on play action~ I think they make the playoffs barely but that 17h game might be the savior.

    The problem is they have no offensive line and the RB situation is no better than average. They missed on Edwards-Hellaire and neither “D” Williams are any good. Andy Reed should have at least tried to get Lev Bell to work out, but instead wasted both their time.

    They barely beat the Giants and Mahomes had another interception.

    They are just not a good football team

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I heard on a chiefs podcast a few weeks ago that the home faithful are very upset about Reids Drafts the last few years. they also mentioned that a couple of guys were drafted because of boneheaded off field incidents by Tyreek Hill and the RB who got cut because of domestic violence. they said drafting C-E-H and Hardman were a direct result of the off field worries presented by those two.

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    NFL has adjusted to KC as scoobydoo2 mentioned and took away the long passes. Mahomes relied on his receivers to go get many of those long passes in 1-1 coverage. now that he is forced to play the short/intermediate game, he does not have the accuracy to do so consistently. he started hot, then went through a 1-9 stretch i believe. too streaky. that is because his fundamental throwing motion is so all over the place.

    I noticed brian griese last night waxing poetic about a sidearm throw Mahomes made, but ignoring the short throws at recievers feet and over their heads.

    it is style over substance right now. he is still young, and his fundamentals could be worked with. there was a point in the red zone where for no reason at all, he leaps and tries to complete a jump pass. all he had to do was slide one or two steps to the side and he could have set his feet.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

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    2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,252 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Chiefs didn’t win that game. The Giants gave it away. Offsides nullified an interception on that last drive. A phantom face mask aided it. Just seems strange how quickly teams have adjusted and are having success. Kelse one catch and he fumbled that one away. Double Kelse, keep Hill in front of you and make the Chiefs very average.

    W.C.Fields
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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ^^^ all good points. If the chuck rule was like it was years ago and not 5 yards like it is now, it would further confound their offense

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    TabeTabe Posts: 5,927 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2, 2021 3:26PM

    @keets said:
    you don't remember the talk about Wilson doing "this or that" in his first year, second year etc. faster than anyone ever?? that was all the talk. the style of play from Russell Wilson early on was quite similar, in fact I believe he was quicker than Mahomes and a better runner. as for the Teams, the biggest difference was that Seattle had a running game and a better defense.

    Wilson averaged 200 yards a game his few 3 years. He was considered a game manager who was good at handing off and was mobile enough to get out of trouble. There were questions whether the Seahawks could win if he was forced to throw. None of that applies to Mahomes. The only real similarities in their early careers is that both had a lot of team success. Their style of quarterback play is not all that similar.

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    DarinDarin Posts: 6,318 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Say what you will, at least Mahomes didn't throw a pick that cost the Chiefs the game last night,
    like Brady did Sunday.
    And 2 deuces, you don't have to be like Brian Griese and pretend Mahomes didn't know the Giants
    jumped offsides before he threw that pick. Yes, he's having a tough year but he is still the best at getting
    the D-line to jump. He knew he had a free play, plain and simple.

    A lot of AFC teams aren't exactly looking unbeatable, Chargers, Bills, in fact Miami gave them a good battle
    in the first half and Josh Allen looked like crap. The Browns are the Browns again, nothing to worry about as usual
    for the rest of the league. The Titans won't be a factor anymore, the Ravens will get beat out early in the playoffs like
    they always do. Let's face it, the Chiefs still have as good a chance as anyone.

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    thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As I have said before, Mahomes will be fine. He is a generational talent. This is a blip in the road.

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Darin said:
    Say what you will, at least Mahomes didn't throw a pick that cost the Chiefs the game last night,
    like Brady did Sunday.
    And 2 deuces, you don't have to be like Brian Griese and pretend Mahomes didn't know the Giants
    jumped offsides before he threw that pick. Yes, he's having a tough year but he is still the best at getting
    the D-line to jump. He knew he had a free play, plain and simple.

    A lot of AFC teams aren't exactly looking unbeatable, Chargers, Bills, in fact Miami gave them a good battle
    in the first half and Josh Allen looked like crap. The Browns are the Browns again, nothing to worry about as usual
    for the rest of the league. The Titans won't be a factor anymore, the Ravens will get beat out early in the playoffs like
    they always do. Let's face it, the Chiefs still have as good a chance as anyone.

    mahomes is leading the league in interceptions at the moment. at age 26, what should be the beginning of his athletic prime, he is getting outplayed fairly handily by 44 year old tom brady.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

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    2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,252 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Darin Buffalo came off a bye flat. Josh Allen had a similar play when Miami jumped off sides. But guess what, the refs didn’t call it.
    Nothing wrong with Mahomes that can’t be fixed. But without a running game the Chiefs as a team are struggling. The defense is killing them and Mahomes is trying to do it all himself. This league is an amazing study. Film and adjustments. Nothing works forever. That’s why some QB’s shine brightly and 6 weeks later are delegated to the clipboard.
    The Chiefs have to adjust accordingly. 4-4 and the Packers, Raiders and Cowboys on the schedule

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it is possible the chiefs are pressing because they know that if they are going to win another SB with the current core, they need to do it in the next 2 seasons probably. Kelce has slowed this season. his y/c and catch % are both down. He is in his age 32 season. his speed and agility seems to be declining, just by the eye test. when he falls off, which will be sooner than later, Hills production will be drastically cut as he will be doubled every single play.

    I am sure this is in the back of their minds. Reid needs to be on point the next 2 or 3 seasons. he needs major help on defense. help on OL and the offense needs to be addressed for the future.

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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 3, 2021 9:51AM

    Nothing wrong with Mahomes that can’t be fixed.

    is this a serious post???

    if everyone would just be objective in their assessment of players the discussions would probably be better. speak the truth,
    for the better part of the season Patrick Mahomes has been south of average and struggling. the big "tell" if you watch games is his demeanor, he is starting to regularly lose his temper and almost have hissy fits. his accuracy is spotty, he doesn't check-down like he used to and he often fails to see the open man. he isn't being saved by the receivers like he was in the past. to quote Bill Parcells, "You are what your record says you are" and right now the Kansas City Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes are a 4-4 Team.

    this week should tell us a lot. the Chiefs struggled to beat the NY Giants and just caught a huge break with Rodgers out due to COVID-19. absent that, I believe they would have gotten torched, now they are probably 50-50 and starts to get more difficult to win. it not unrealistic to believe KC could finish under .500 and in last place, very humbling but making next season quite a bit easier.

    they need to do it in the next 2 seasons probably

    I mentioned this to someone via PM, the window isn't open for long and when it closes the path back isn't easy. most Teams get a 3-5 year shot, free agency has killed any hope of holding things together for longer than that.

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ^^^^ right, 3-5 years seems about right. 1990s bills, 1990s Cowboys etc. 5 years would put KC through the 2022 season.

    its why dyasties are so rare.

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    2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,252 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Chiefs catch a huge break with Rodgers out. It’s exactly what they needed in this 3 game stretch. 5-4 looks good because 4-7 would have been a disaster. If they win Sunday and split the next two they are 6-5 and still in contention

    W.C.Fields
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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    it is just what the Chiefs needed. it was almost a sure loss for them with Rodgers playing

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    perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,512 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Let’s revisit this conversation come Monday morning after the Chiefs lose to Green Bay and Jordan Love

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:
    Let’s revisit this conversation come Monday morning after the Chiefs lose to Green Bay and Jordan Love

    this is possible. the Chiefs have been pretty bad this season. the defense has been non existant

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    2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,252 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:
    Let’s revisit this conversation come Monday morning after the Chiefs lose to Green Bay and Jordan Love

    I’m not so sure. If Jordan Love was ready, Rodgers would be looking for a new team this year. We soon shall know but the wise guys jumped on KC so hard it went to -7.5 in a New York minute

    W.C.Fields
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    s4nys4ny Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭

    Yes, they win the division.

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    HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 5, 2021 6:28PM

    @thisistheshow said:
    As I have said before, Mahomes will be fine. He is a generational talent. This is a blip in the road.

    I'm not so sure. He's going to get his clock cleaned one too many times. Off balance running (one foot off the ground) behind the line. It can't last. He has to reinvent his game. If he's as good as people think he is, he can do it.......Otherwise, forget it......

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    DarinDarin Posts: 6,318 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:
    Let’s revisit this conversation come Monday morning after the Chiefs lose to Green Bay and Jordan Love

    You seem pretty confident perkdog. Confident enough to make an avatar bet?
    I would change my avatar to Jordan Love or Aaron Rodgers or even Tom Brady for a week if the Packers win
    if you change yours to a Mahomes avatar if the Chiefs prevail. Let me know. But just a head's up, I watch all
    the Chiefs games and there definitely have been some subtle signs that they are now headed in the right direction.
    Just have to know what to look for. So I really wouldn't advise you to make a wager on GB with an unproven QB
    against the Chiefs at this time.

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