@Hydrant said:
Roger the Dodger! Just talking about him the other night. The Lovely Mrs. Hydrant said he retired because of head injuries. Is that correct? He broke many a Rams fans hearts way back when. He was GOOD!.....Real good.
I am not sure about Roger, but I believe Aikman retired because of concussions. I think he was only about 34 or so.
50 % was actually pretty good for completing passes.
This is just not true. The league leaders were all over 60% during Bradshaw's career, with the leader being over 66% four times during Bradshaw's career. Bradshaw was under 50% five times in his career, including once under 40%, and finished at just 51.9%. He threw a ton of interceptions (22 or more four times in a time when 24 led the league).
There are the numbers and I think while all the numbers you provided are accurate, you can also look to the fact that without ever eclipsing 57.7% he finished Top 10 in completion percentage 3 times. So while a few guys were above 60% it is not the same number as today.
Terry Bradshaw had a lot of Brett Favre in him (anachronistic, I know); he definitely threw too many picks but often because he was trying to squeeze it into tight coverage, foolishly. My dad liked Terry Bradshaw and said his biggest problem was he never knew when to just eat it and play another down until later in his career. Perhaps that is a lack of accuracy, in a way, so I guess you are right.
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Nobody gonna say Jack Kemp? 4 SBs in row deserves a little cred.
Did you mean Jim Kelly?
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I think Bradshaw was certainly a QB of his time. a heavy run dominated offense surrounded by deep low percentage passes. he had an arm and liked to show it off. What does Bruce Arians say, "no risk it, no biscuit." that kind of sums up Bradshaw.
I wonder how he would have done in a more controlled offense, like the west coast?
There are the numbers and I think while all the numbers you provided are accurate, you can also look to the fact that without ever eclipsing 57.7% he finished Top 10 in completion percentage 3 times. So while a few guys were above 60% it is not the same number as today.
3 seasons in 14 where he was top 10 (never reaching higher than 7th) kinda proves my point. Thanks for agreeing with me!
The Bradshaw talk cracks me up. He was a 52% career passer and threw as many interceptions as TDS passes. One for you and one for me. Laughable IMHO
He's lucky he played on a team with a great D
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Terry Bradshaw is just one of three quarterbacks to win four Super Bowls. In each of the Steelers' Super Bowl victories, he posted a passer rating above 100. He led a fourth quarter comeback in the second and fourth games, and threw a touchdown pass in the fourth quarter of each game.
As a matter of fact, Bradshaw's fourth quarter passing statistics in the Super Bowl look like this:
11-16, 292 yards, 4 TD
That is not a typo. Bradshaw averaged 18 yards per pass attempt. He threw five incompletions against four touchdown passes. His final pass in his first three Super Bowls was a touchdown pass, and in his fourth Super Bowl, it was a 45-yard completion that set up a final touchdown.
His passer rating is a jaw-dropping 151.0, and he was awarded the MVP trophy in his final two Super Bowls.
Bradshaw doesn't just shine in the Super Bowl either.
There was the "Immaculate Reception," a fourth-down, game-winning, 60-yard touchdown pass to Franco Harris on the final play of the game. Then there were the 1976 AFC divisional playoffs, where Bradshaw posted a perfect passer rating against the Baltimore Colts.
Bradshaw threw for two or more touchdown passes in his final seven postseason games, all of which the Steelers scored 27+ points. He averaged an incredible 8.4 yards per pass attempt throughout his playoff career
There are the numbers and I think while all the numbers you provided are accurate, you can also look to the fact that without ever eclipsing 57.7% he finished Top 10 in completion percentage 3 times. So while a few guys were above 60% it is not the same number as today.
3 seasons in 14 where he was top 10 (never reaching higher than 7th) kinda proves my point. Thanks for agreeing with me!
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@Hydrant said:
Roger the Dodger! Just talking about him the other night. The Lovely Mrs. Hydrant said he retired because of head injuries. Is that correct? He broke many a Rams fans hearts way back when. He was GOOD!.....Real good.
Yes retired because of head injuries while he was the best QB in the league at the time. He took an absolute beating because of the era he played in. I can say for certain that Staubach would have a long storied career playing in the NFL the last ten years where QB's are protected and rules all favor QB, but I cannot say for certain that any QB from now would have been able to play half as long while playing in the QB stifling rules of the 70's...when they got physical beatings and the receivers were mauled. I'm sure many would have survived like many did then...but not nearly at the rate that they do now.
The main thing people forget with Staubach is how many NFL years he missed due to his military obligation. We hear it all the time in relation to Ted Williams in baseball missing years due to military, but nary a word about Staubach.
Because of his military obligation Staubach didn't even get to the NFL until age 27 and was not able to be full time starter until age 29!
Staubach also had every intangible covered. Great leader. Great person. Great at the end of a game.
And he could run as well.
Staubach is neck and neck with Brady for winning percentage as a QB. Staubach is not going to have anywhere near the same passer ratings as anyone today simply due to the rules that stifled that. However, Staubach did lead the league four times in rating and even in his last two seasons was the league leader. Add his running ability and it makes his QB skills even more impressive.
Even as an old man he could still sling the ball recently.
Bradshaw was great in his era in the playoffs. Ignore the regular season as it was average at best even for the times.
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The Bradshaw haters actually crack me up. They never bring up his post-season stats/accomplishments.
I wonder why?
Because Joe Flacco is proof that mediocre quarterbacks can play over their heads in the playoffs.
Disagree. Unlike Bradshaw, Flacco is NOT considered to be one of the best postseason QB's in history. Nice try hater
And yet nobody has ever had a better postseason than Flacco in 2012.
I can’t remember if it was the 2012 playoffs but I remember that huge missed assignment by the Broncos DB to gift wrap that game winning TD pass for him.
When Marino retired wasn't he the clear leader in TD's and yardage before the game just simply disregarded RB's?? I believe Marino was clearly better than Elway. Without Davis, Elway doesn't win any SB's. I've never understood the lack of respect for Marino. He is the one who totally changed the game in the 1980's going forward. No doubt about it. Wasn't on great teams...plain and simple.
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When Marino retired wasn't he the clear leader in TD's and yardage before the game just simply disregarded RB's?? I believe Marino was clearly better than Elway. Without Davis, Elway doesn't win any SB's. I've never understood the lack of respect for Marino. He is the one who totally changed the game in the 1980's going forward. No doubt about it. Wasn't on great teams...plain and simple.
A lot of people here talk about Marino, Dan Fouts was another top tier passer for that timeframe. Elway was a gamer, TD definitely helped him but either way he was a cog in the wheel for what 5? Super Bowl runs?
You "accidentally" left off the 800 yards part so I fixed for you. Dink and dunk. Flacco's much more impressive
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You "accidentally" left off the 800 yards part so I fixed for you. Dink and dunk. Flacco's much more impressive
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Incorrect. Actually Montana's numbers are more impressive and its not even close. Montana had 11 td's in only 3 postseason games. That's why only 800 yds. While Flacco threw 11 td's in 4 games. QB rating montana 146.1. Flacco 117.2.
You "accidentally" left off the 800 yards part so I fixed for you. Dink and dunk. Flacco's much more impressive
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Incorrect. Actually Montana's numbers are more impressive and its not even close. Montana had 11 td's in only 3 postseason games. That's why only 800 yds. While Flacco threw 11 td's in 4 games. QB rating montana 146.1. Flacco 117.2.
I suppose it could be said that Flacco is even more impressive as he won 4 games. You are right though as Montana only played 3 games. Montana never threw for 300 yards in that run but he would have came within a 100 yards of Flacco. But then again we will never know what a forth game looked like.
Since you are so in love with Qb rating don't look at Bradshaws career 70 regular season mark. He did at least hit over 100 a few games in the playoffs. A for sure first ballot HOF. A top 15 QB. Not too shabby. You would need 4 mountain ranges to get his bust on the last one
Montana had a great playoff run in 89
Flacco had a great playoff run in 2012.
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iirc. Flacco was on the last year of his rookie deal. His playoff performance that year led to a huge contract. The Ravens beat the Pats in the AFC championship game. We didn't even score in the second half.
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iirc. Flacco was on the last year of his rookie deal. His playoff performance that year led to a huge contract. The Ravens beat the Pats in the AFC championship game. We didn't even score in the second half.
He got them a Super Bowl but other than that he straight up jobbed them for a 100 million dollar contract after
@thisistheshow said:
iirc. Flacco was on the last year of his rookie deal. His playoff performance that year led to a huge contract. The Ravens beat the Pats in the AFC championship game. We didn't even score in the second half.
He got them a Super Bowl but other than that he straight up jobbed them for a 100 million dollar contract after
Bradshaw haters would say 'it was his defense' the reason why they won the Super bowl
Flacco averaged more yards per game and did all of his on the road. Still better.
The Super bowl is always held on a neutral site. Why can't you just admit that Montana's performance was better? You're sounding silly. Montana's completion percentage was 78% to Flacco's 57%. Its not even close.
Flacco averaged more yards per game and did all of his on the road. Still better.
The Super bowl is always held on a neutral site. Why can't you just admit that Montana's performance was better? You're sounding silly. Montana's completion percentage was 78% to Flacco's 57%. Its not even close.
Other two were at home and he had Jerry Rice to throw to.
Flacco averaged more yards per game and did all of his on the road. Still better.
The Super bowl is always held on a neutral site. Why can't you just admit that Montana's performance was better? You're sounding silly. Montana's completion percentage was 78% to Flacco's 57%. Its not even close.
Other two were at home and he had Jerry Rice to throw to.
89 Montana postseason is considered the best postseason performance in NFL history. Whether you admit it or not, your claim that Flacco's postseason was the best is incorrect.
@thisistheshow said:
iirc. Flacco was on the last year of his rookie deal. His playoff performance that year led to a huge contract. The Ravens beat the Pats in the AFC championship game. We didn't even score in the second half.
Flacco was playing in a different league than 1980s era Montana was playing in. the rules for CB play and hits to QB were very different than now.
I am a Brady guy 100%, but even I understand that Current era players are more able to stand tall in the pocket with confidence that they will not have their heads detached from their bodies.
Eli Manning was an above average QB in the regular season but an absolute force in two postseasons. Again, I am not someone who relies totally on stats but in the 2007 postseason run Eli Manning had probably the best 4 consecutive games of his career en route to a victory over an undefeated Patriot team that, objectively speaking, may have been the best single season football team ever assembled in my lifetime.
I can’t recall all the stats (it sure wasn’t 11 TDs) but I do recall Eli making it happen in three straight road games before the SuperBowl, including at Tampa Bay, Dallas and Green Bay. I think he threw 1 pick.
I fall into the ‘89 Montana camp but Flacco really had some run…
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89 Montana postseason is considered the best postseason performance in NFL history. Whether you admit it or not, your claim that Flacco's postseason was the best is incorrect.
I'll concede that Montana's was at least as good, if not better. At worst, Flacco's was #2.
89 Montana postseason is considered the best postseason performance in NFL history. Whether you admit it or not, your claim that Flacco's postseason was the best is incorrect.
I'll concede that Montana's was at least as good, if not better. At worst, Flacco's was #2.
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I am not sure about Roger, but I believe Aikman retired because of concussions. I think he was only about 34 or so.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
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There are the numbers and I think while all the numbers you provided are accurate, you can also look to the fact that without ever eclipsing 57.7% he finished Top 10 in completion percentage 3 times. So while a few guys were above 60% it is not the same number as today.
Terry Bradshaw had a lot of Brett Favre in him (anachronistic, I know); he definitely threw too many picks but often because he was trying to squeeze it into tight coverage, foolishly. My dad liked Terry Bradshaw and said his biggest problem was he never knew when to just eat it and play another down until later in his career. Perhaps that is a lack of accuracy, in a way, so I guess you are right.
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Did you mean Jim Kelly?
Oh ha, yup Kelly, brainfart yesterday.
I think Bradshaw was certainly a QB of his time. a heavy run dominated offense surrounded by deep low percentage passes. he had an arm and liked to show it off. What does Bruce Arians say, "no risk it, no biscuit." that kind of sums up Bradshaw.
I wonder how he would have done in a more controlled offense, like the west coast?
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
3 seasons in 14 where he was top 10 (never reaching higher than 7th) kinda proves my point. Thanks for agreeing with me!
Brady and Montana for sure. You can swap the following names in any order: Manning, Unitas, Elway, and Graham.
The Bradshaw talk cracks me up. He was a 52% career passer and threw as many interceptions as TDS passes. One for you and one for me. Laughable IMHO
He's lucky he played on a team with a great D
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The Bradshaw haters actually crack me up. They never bring up his post-season stats/accomplishments.
I wonder why?
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Career postseason record: 14-5
Career postseason statistics: 261-456, 3833 yards, 30 TD, 26 INT; 83.0 passer rating
Terry Bradshaw is just one of three quarterbacks to win four Super Bowls. In each of the Steelers' Super Bowl victories, he posted a passer rating above 100. He led a fourth quarter comeback in the second and fourth games, and threw a touchdown pass in the fourth quarter of each game.
As a matter of fact, Bradshaw's fourth quarter passing statistics in the Super Bowl look like this:
11-16, 292 yards, 4 TD
That is not a typo. Bradshaw averaged 18 yards per pass attempt. He threw five incompletions against four touchdown passes. His final pass in his first three Super Bowls was a touchdown pass, and in his fourth Super Bowl, it was a 45-yard completion that set up a final touchdown.
His passer rating is a jaw-dropping 151.0, and he was awarded the MVP trophy in his final two Super Bowls.
Bradshaw doesn't just shine in the Super Bowl either.
There was the "Immaculate Reception," a fourth-down, game-winning, 60-yard touchdown pass to Franco Harris on the final play of the game. Then there were the 1976 AFC divisional playoffs, where Bradshaw posted a perfect passer rating against the Baltimore Colts.
Bradshaw threw for two or more touchdown passes in his final seven postseason games, all of which the Steelers scored 27+ points. He averaged an incredible 8.4 yards per pass attempt throughout his playoff career
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Because Joe Flacco is proof that mediocre quarterbacks can play over their heads in the playoffs.
Disagree. Unlike Bradshaw, Flacco is NOT considered to be one of the best postseason QB's in history. Nice try hater
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Mediocre QB's don't make the hall of fame on their first year of eligibility!!
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Proof that people can see whatever they want when they look at stats.
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Yes retired because of head injuries while he was the best QB in the league at the time. He took an absolute beating because of the era he played in. I can say for certain that Staubach would have a long storied career playing in the NFL the last ten years where QB's are protected and rules all favor QB, but I cannot say for certain that any QB from now would have been able to play half as long while playing in the QB stifling rules of the 70's...when they got physical beatings and the receivers were mauled. I'm sure many would have survived like many did then...but not nearly at the rate that they do now.
The main thing people forget with Staubach is how many NFL years he missed due to his military obligation. We hear it all the time in relation to Ted Williams in baseball missing years due to military, but nary a word about Staubach.
Because of his military obligation Staubach didn't even get to the NFL until age 27 and was not able to be full time starter until age 29!
Staubach also had every intangible covered. Great leader. Great person. Great at the end of a game.
And he could run as well.
Staubach is neck and neck with Brady for winning percentage as a QB. Staubach is not going to have anywhere near the same passer ratings as anyone today simply due to the rules that stifled that. However, Staubach did lead the league four times in rating and even in his last two seasons was the league leader. Add his running ability and it makes his QB skills even more impressive.
Even as an old man he could still sling the ball recently.
Staubach was great during his era.
Bradshaw was great in his era in the playoffs. Ignore the regular season as it was average at best even for the times.
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Staubach sucked against the best competition. Bradshaw owned him.
Bradshaw won the season MVP award in 78. That's a 'regular season' award.
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And yet nobody has ever had a better postseason than Flacco in 2012.
I can’t remember if it was the 2012 playoffs but I remember that huge missed assignment by the Broncos DB to gift wrap that game winning TD pass for him.
When Marino retired wasn't he the clear leader in TD's and yardage before the game just simply disregarded RB's?? I believe Marino was clearly better than Elway. Without Davis, Elway doesn't win any SB's. I've never understood the lack of respect for Marino. He is the one who totally changed the game in the 1980's going forward. No doubt about it. Wasn't on great teams...plain and simple.
A lot of people here talk about Marino, Dan Fouts was another top tier passer for that timeframe. Elway was a gamer, TD definitely helped him but either way he was a cog in the wheel for what 5? Super Bowl runs?
TOTALLY Incorrect.
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1140 yards, 11TD, 0 picks. Find me somebody that tops that.
1989 Joe Montana 11 td, 0 picks, 78.3 comp, 146.1 QB rating.
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You "accidentally" left off the 800 yards part so I fixed for you. Dink and dunk. Flacco's much more impressive
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Incorrect. Actually Montana's numbers are more impressive and its not even close. Montana had 11 td's in only 3 postseason games. That's why only 800 yds. While Flacco threw 11 td's in 4 games. QB rating montana 146.1. Flacco 117.2.
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I suppose it could be said that Flacco is even more impressive as he won 4 games. You are right though as Montana only played 3 games. Montana never threw for 300 yards in that run but he would have came within a 100 yards of Flacco. But then again we will never know what a forth game looked like.
Since you are so in love with Qb rating don't look at Bradshaws career 70 regular season mark. He did at least hit over 100 a few games in the playoffs. A for sure first ballot HOF. A top 15 QB. Not too shabby. You would need 4 mountain ranges to get his bust on the last one
Montana had a great playoff run in 89
Flacco had a great playoff run in 2012.
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iirc. Flacco was on the last year of his rookie deal. His playoff performance that year led to a huge contract. The Ravens beat the Pats in the AFC championship game. We didn't even score in the second half.
He got them a Super Bowl but other than that he straight up jobbed them for a 100 million dollar contract after
Bradshaw haters would say 'it was his defense' the reason why they won the Super bowl
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And its not like Flacco was chopped liver. He's top 20 all time in passing yards. Right behind Dan Fouts.
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Flacco averaged more yards per game and did all of his on the road. Still better.
The Super bowl is always held on a neutral site. Why can't you just admit that Montana's performance was better? You're sounding silly. Montana's completion percentage was 78% to Flacco's 57%. Its not even close.
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Other two were at home and he had Jerry Rice to throw to.
89 Montana postseason is considered the best postseason performance in NFL history. Whether you admit it or not, your claim that Flacco's postseason was the best is incorrect.
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that was so brutal. i hated that game
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Flacco was playing in a different league than 1980s era Montana was playing in. the rules for CB play and hits to QB were very different than now.
I am a Brady guy 100%, but even I understand that Current era players are more able to stand tall in the pocket with confidence that they will not have their heads detached from their bodies.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Not a Rushmore candidate but the postseason talk?
Eli Manning was an above average QB in the regular season but an absolute force in two postseasons. Again, I am not someone who relies totally on stats but in the 2007 postseason run Eli Manning had probably the best 4 consecutive games of his career en route to a victory over an undefeated Patriot team that, objectively speaking, may have been the best single season football team ever assembled in my lifetime.
I can’t recall all the stats (it sure wasn’t 11 TDs) but I do recall Eli making it happen in three straight road games before the SuperBowl, including at Tampa Bay, Dallas and Green Bay. I think he threw 1 pick.
I fall into the ‘89 Montana camp but Flacco really had some run…
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I'll concede that Montana's was at least as good, if not better. At worst, Flacco's was #2.
At best Flacco's is top 5. 89 Montana is #1.
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