5th Edition Cherrypickers' Guide Vol l and ll question

jesbroken

I ran across some auctions on ebay for both volumes of the 5th edition and they are asking $125 to $135 for these copies(not leather but spiral). So I checked sold auctions and earlier this year they sold from $70 to $140. I googled them and found 2 elsewhere for sale for $137 and $155. What's up with that? Is it because of the late release of 6th ed. vol ll?
Jim

HalfDimeDude

The CPG to this variety collector is out of touch! As I can sit here go to book marks and find everything I need to know without purchasing a CPG.
Now I do understand having good references as I sit here now with no less than 20 /30 reference books at arm reach. And I like having them in house....but I find the price points you listed above are to rich for my blood when I can find everything needed in my book marked site.
I have also found the cpg in the past to have wrong information....thats disappointing as the one item was incorrect cost me a few hundred.

jmlanzaf

Out of print. Need to pay a premium.

Try to find Mitchiner's "oriental coins and their values" for under $400

sedulous

Please permit me to add that the Fivaz / Stanton CPG does NOT have everything it perhaps should. I state this as it may impact your decision to purchase a CPG at $125. It was a wonderful effort, don't get me wrong, it just is missing significant varieties (I should note I am not speaking of minor varieties but well-known and highly visible ones).

Here is a picture of both volumes Fifth Edition for reference:

With Stanton passed on, I have heard Fivaz is carrying the torch for an upcoming 6th Edition. Release date is still unknown. I have heard someone else is the editor. The Cherrypicker's Guide is critical in that what is in these two volumes must be there for PCGS variety recognition on a label. I am unsure if that is 100% the case though. Regardless, what I will say is that CPG does, and will continue to have an imposing impact on PCGS labeling. Why that strongly connected? I do not feel I have received a clear answer to date. As a potential answer, what I expect is the "CPG has a well recognized presence in the numismatic community for Variety attribution". Due to that, it is now considered the de-facto standard for a variety-labeling basis at PCGS. Obviously, for earlier or off-the-beaten-path material, there are other references.

We could probably create a long list of significant varieties not in the book but let me try to give you three easy-to-see significant (not minor) examples:

1895-S/S West Barber Quarter (not in CPG so no Variety recognized by PCGS). A number of these exist (more than one).

True View: PCGS #42055234

1907-S Barber Quarter also has two different RPM's. FS-25-1907S-501 (Lawrence-102) is recognized by PCGS (my belief is because Cherrypicker's recognizes it). This is an S over a slightly second twisted S.

The other that is well-known (and I have included a picture below) in the Barber collecting community is a 1907-S/S/S East
(at least triple-punched and the other of the 2 varieties NOT recognized but obvious?). Not recognized by our hosts because it is NOT in CPG? I have had a personal result on one of these aforementioned Barber Quarters in the past year where, although I feel significant, it did NOT get a PCGS label using the Variety service. A number of these 1907-S/S/S East specimens exist (more than one).

True View: PCGS #41382334

Here is a $2.50 Liberty Head Gold 1907-P. This is a pretty obvious RPD easily seen with the doubled '1' and '7' in the date. I am getting ready to send this Quarter Eagle in for grading. I do not plan to submit it with a Variety service because I am 99% sure it would most likely not get a 'RPD' on the label (not being in CPG 5th Edition so I would be out $18. and by the way "Minor Variety" text on a label doesn't cut it). I am unaware of other examples but this is a recent find for me and I haven't researched it fully as of yet.

So, bottom line is this: purchasing the book at elevated pricing levels may not be prudent. I would humbly suggest: There may (hopefully) be more entries in the 6th Edition with an early next year release. I would suggest you hold out for that one and purchase it at a cheaper price. Perhaps more information will be forthcoming concerning this CPG update and thereby unlocking further Variety alternatives at PCGS. All the best to your endeavors.

koynekwest

I've purchased the CPG since the first one in 1990. I have a copy of the 6th edition, Volume 1 that was given to me for my contributions to the book. I also have Volume 2. At those prices I'm really tempted to sell Vol 2.

sedulous

@koynekwest said:
I've purchased the CPG since the first one in 1990. I have a copy of the 5th edition, Volume 1 that was given to me for my contributions to the book. I also have Volume 2. At those prices I'm really tempted to sell Vol 2.

So you would sell Volume 2 (Dimes, Quarters, Half Dollars, Dollars, Gold and Commems) but not sell pennies and nickels as part of Volume 1... interesting. I, for one, would think they go best as a complete set? That decision confuses me but all the more to ya! I wonder how many takers you would have for half of what you need? If I was in the market I would think a complete Volume set would be more saleable.

jesbroken

Thanks for all the information. I ran across this by accident, had no intention of buying as I have everyone since it started, but after much research on the matter, I have decided to sell mine.
Jim

ricko

I have Vol. 1 sixth edition and Vol. 2 fifth edition... Will get the sixth edition Vol.2 when it comes out. I like having good reference material at hand. Cheers, RickO

Klif50

@sedulous said:

@koynekwest said:
I've purchased the CPG since the first one in 1990. I have a copy of the 5th edition, Volume 1 that was given to me for my contributions to the book. I also have Volume 2. At those prices I'm really tempted to sell Vol 2.

So you would sell Volume 2 (Dimes, Quarters, Half Dollars, Dollars, Gold and Commems) but not sell pennies and nickels as part of Volume 1... interesting. I, for one, would think they go best as a complete set? That decision confuses me but all the more to ya! I wonder how many takers you would have for half of what you need? If I was in the market I would think a complete Volume set would be more saleable.

When I collected varieties (back in the REC.Collecting.Coins early internet era), I didn't care about cents, nickels or dimes as they are all too small for me to be able to comfortably see the varieties on them. So, when I bought my copy from JT I only got the 2nd volume as the first would be of no use to me.

So, to answer your question, I think he would find a buyer for Volume 2 easily, and since he was presented with Volume 1 I think he would be prudent to keep it.

Just an old guys opinion

koynekwest

I meant to say the SIXTH edition, Vol 1.

koynekwest

@Klif50 said:

@sedulous said:

@koynekwest said:
I've purchased the CPG since the first one in 1990. I have a copy of the 5th edition, Volume 1 that was given to me for my contributions to the book. I also have Volume 2. At those prices I'm really tempted to sell Vol 2.

So you would sell Volume 2 (Dimes, Quarters, Half Dollars, Dollars, Gold and Commems) but not sell pennies and nickels as part of Volume 1... interesting. I, for one, would think they go best as a complete set? That decision confuses me but all the more to ya! I wonder how many takers you would have for half of what you need? If I was in the market I would think a complete Volume set would be more saleable.

When I collected varieties (back in the REC.Collecting.Coins early internet era), I didn't care about cents, nickels or dimes as they are all too small for me to be able to comfortably see the varieties on them. So, when I bought my copy from JT I only got the 2nd volume as the first would be of no use to me.

So, to answer your question, I think he would find a buyer for Volume 2 easily, and since he was presented with Volume 1 I think he would be prudent to keep it.

Just an old guys opinion

That's what I intend to do. I'm not sure about selling Vol 2, tho.

koynekwest

@sedulous said:

@koynekwest said:
I've purchased the CPG since the first one in 1990. I have a copy of the 5th edition, Volume 1 that was given to me for my contributions to the book. I also have Volume 2. At those prices I'm really tempted to sell Vol 2.

So you would sell Volume 2 (Dimes, Quarters, Half Dollars, Dollars, Gold and Commems) but not sell pennies and nickels as part of Volume 1... interesting. I, for one, would think they go best as a complete set? That decision confuses me but all the more to ya! I wonder how many takers you would have for half of what you need? If I was in the market I would think a complete Volume set would be more saleable.

Since the Vol 1 was gifted to me I plan on keeping it.