1909SVB A Counterfeit!

MarkW63

I was ask when I post these that I judge to be counterfeited or altered to point out the fake/or altered markers.
So, I'll call out 3 points on this one that were the first that I saw.
What other counterfeit markers do you see about this coin that screams COUNTERFEIT?
(1) Look at the left Wheat Ear, notice the bump about midway up the inside line, that's a counterfeit marker.
(2) The cross bar in the letter "B" in the designer initials doesn't appear slanted enough.
(3) Deep cut valley's in the letter "N" in UNITED.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/363575794298?hash=item54a6ce5a7a:g:FxUAAOSwOAxhY85j

braddick

I used to send pleasant messages through the eBay system once to sellers of these fake 1909-S VDBs- always with the positive thought they may be unaware of what it is they are listing, and the general gist of their responses was something along the lines of,

"Behold the field where I grow my "F"s, cast your eyes upon it, and see that it is barren."

I had an epiphany: The sellers don't give a flying F. Why am I wasting my time?

MarkW63

@braddick said:
I used to send pleasant messages through the eBay system once to sellers of these fake 1909-S VDBs- always with the positive thought they may be unaware of what it is they are listing, and the general gist of their responses was something along the lines of,

"Behold the field where I grow my "F"s, cast your eyes upon it, and see that it is barren."

I had an epiphany: The sellers don't give a flying F. Why am I wasting my time?

And the ones that know they're selling phony's don't care, don't give a flying "F" and sense I've been posting these we've ran into three groups,

Honest sellers (coin dealers) that wasn't aware of the coin being a phony and once it's brought to their attention they PULL the listing themselves. "POOF"

Dishonest FAKE coin dealers who will do every work around to sell their phony coins, in these cases its takes several of the members here to report them & their listings to ebay! and "POOF"

Then you have sellers like in the OP who doesn't look to be a coin dealer at all, their other listings are a mix of stamps, Elvis stuff, books, etc... so in my own speculation its VERY likely that the seller is totally oblivious to the coin being a counterfeit! the coin at present only has two bidders on.

This one will likely go the normal routes for these listings, contacts to the seller about it being a counterfeit, and if (???) their honest they'll pull the listing, if not there is powers that be present here who has a knack for making the right connections to the whoever at ebay and ebay will remove the listing!
The super group of members that follow my 09SVDB listing has saved a LOT of blinded buyers of these a LOT of money and heartache, and for the most part we've been having a good time with the discussions with the threads!
Now, for the coin in the OP we wait for the wind to blow, and POOF! it'll be gone just like the ones before it.
Mark

WAYNEAS

Its fake.
Wayne

braddick

Mark, You're doing the Lord's work- exposing these coins here, so forum members are aware of what to look for and armed with information about who not to deal with on eBay.
For that I salute you.

moursund

@WAYNEAS said:
Its fake.
Wayne

Yes, but if you can tell it's fake, explain why!

MarkW63

Well, the listing for this one is still going and now its got three bidders.
Mark

Steven59

@moursund said:

@WAYNEAS said:
Its fake.
Wayne

[Yes, but if you can tell it's fake, explain why! ]

Mark already splained it.............

(1) Look at the left Wheat Ear, notice the bump about midway up the inside line, that's a counterfeit marker.
(2) The cross bar in the letter "B" in the designer initials doesn't appear slanted enough.
(3) Deep cut valley's in the letter "N" in UNITED.

Without noticing anything else - once you see that little die chip on the left wheat ear it's game over.

Steven59

@MarkW63 said:
Well, the listing for this one is still going and now its got three bidders.
Mark

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Could be his "shill bidders" making it look like other people actually think it's a real one......??

MarkW63

@Steven59 said:

@MarkW63 said:
Well, the listing for this one is still going and now its got three bidders.
Mark

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Could be his "shill bidders" making it look like other people actually think it's a real one......??

Well that's for sure a possibility.

MarkW63

Well the listing is at $455.00
7 Bidders
21 watchers and its still rolling along!
Man, I'd hate to think someone could get taken for a grand or more on this fake, maybe the wind will blow overnight!

emeraldATV

Organized Chaios.

rec78

Reported. Please report if you haven't already, we need to get this listing removed. If enough people report it, eBay will remove it.

vulcanize

@rec78 said:
Reported. Please report if you haven't already, we need to get this listing removed. If enough people report it, eBay will remove it.

Goneski

ricko

Listing removed... Good work everyone.... plus the pictures/descriptions help others here. Cheers, RickO

WAYNEAS

Hats off to you @MarkW63
Wayne

MarkW63

@emeraldATV said:
Organized Chaios.

Whatever it takes
And I want to hand out the Many Thanks to those as a group who contribute to keeping these phony coins off the market

MarkW63

@WAYNEAS said:
Hats off to you @MarkW63
Wayne

Thanks Wayne, and thanks for following & contributing to my 09SVDB threads!

MarkW63

POOF the wind blew again!
Good job everyone.

lkenefic

...and thanks for turning this into a "teaching moment " for the YN's in the crowd!