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gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Any idea what this may be worth?

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  • hummingbird_coinshummingbird_coins Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice to have a lamination on a large silver coin.

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  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,111 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a strike thru a piece of wood 2 me. Peace Roy

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Namvet69 said:
    Looks like a strike thru a piece of wood 2 me. Peace Roy

    you can see a crack going from between the T and Y all the way to the lamination. Let me try to get a better pic.

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  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow dude, what an AWESOME find!
    I'm jealous. Lol
    Very unusual on a Franklin.
    Congratulations ;)

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No idea what kind of premium that would add to the coin but it is a really nice Lam error for a Franklin.

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  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,891 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Are you going to get it graded?
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  • pmh1nicpmh1nic Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Someone educate me. How does a coin that is made up of an alloy (silver and copper) delaminate? I can understand clad coins that have layers of material delaminating (layers separate) but how does a 90% silver, 10% copper coin (alloy of two materials) delaminate?

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WAYNEAS i don't think its worth grading

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,345 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pmh1nic said:
    Someone educate me. How does a coin that is made up of an alloy (silver and copper) delaminate? I can understand clad coins that have layers of material delaminating (layers separate) but how does a 90% silver, 10% copper coin (alloy of two materials) delaminate?

    Poor mixing

  • pmh1nicpmh1nic Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @pmh1nic said:
    Someone educate me. How does a coin that is made up of an alloy (silver and copper) delaminate? I can understand clad coins that have layers of material delaminating (layers separate) but how does a 90% silver, 10% copper coin (alloy of two materials) delaminate?

    Poor mixing

    Thanks.

    That's what I was thinking but it seems it would have to be piss pour mixing to end up delaminating.

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 8, 2021 2:47PM

    During the preparation of the planchet strip, foreign materials — grease, dirt, oil, slag or gas — may become trapped just below the surface of the metal. Coins struck from this strip later may begin to flake and peel since adhesion is poor in the location of the trapped material
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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is there much of a market for such errors? To me it is a melt bucket coin but there may be others out there who will actually pay a premium over melt for it.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,345 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 8, 2021 2:57PM

    @pmh1nic said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @pmh1nic said:
    Someone educate me. How does a coin that is made up of an alloy (silver and copper) delaminate? I can understand clad coins that have layers of material delaminating (layers separate) but how does a 90% silver, 10% copper coin (alloy of two materials) delaminate?

    Poor mixing

    Thanks.

    That's what I was thinking but it seems it would have to be piss pour mixing to end up delaminating.

    Delamination isn't peeling of different layers. Bronze coins do it. Nickel coins do it. It's stress related from the rolling of heterogeneous compositions either due to poor alloy mixing or inclusion of impurities or the like.

    To me, it appears to be less common in silver coins but it is very common in Wheat cents and nickels, especially war nickels.

  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, there's always a market for significant errors on Franklin Halves. Probably not worth a huge amount but but should certainly be worth a premium.

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  • moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I thought this thread was about Franklin lamentation...

    Today in History: Franklin’s Lamentation
    BY ARGUS · 26 JANUARY 2015

    BenFranklin_800In a letter to his daughter 231 years ago today, Benjamin Franklin expresses unhappiness over the design of the Seal of the President of the United States. He complains that the artist of the Great Seal had tried to paint a bald eagle in the center but that the bird ended up looking much more like a turkey. He then goes on, tongue in cheek, to compare the merits of the eagle versus the turkey as our national bird, pretending to believe that the turkey would make a better national symbol.

    This letter – taken out of context – led to one of the great American myths: that Ben Franklin was unhappy with the eagle as our national symbol and actually preferred the turkey.The misunderstanding was chalked up to a failure of people to understand sarcasm, but a newly discovered painting of Franklin posed mid-letter provides a more apt reason for the miscommunication, and also explains why it took him three days to write the letter.

    Source: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/american-myths-benjamin-franklins-turkey-and-the-presidential-seal-6623414/?no-ist

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It does look more like a strike through than delamination to me.... Should be interesting to get further input from a TPG or resident expert @FredWeinberg. Cheers, RickO

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko Look closely at the crack from TY over to the big part of the lamination. You can see its pushing the metal outward from the crack. Still it would be nice if any of the error experts weighed in.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234.... Yes, I saw that.... The marks inside the depression lead me to believe it was an impression, and that feature you mention seems it may have been an overflow of the foreign material, depressed after the retained piece fell out. Just my theory and ICBW. Cheers, RickO

  • HalfDimeDudeHalfDimeDude Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ill agree it does look like a strike through ,however my experience with Franklins is they had a lot of lamination issues. I had a roll of unc. 1963 Franklins all had lamination issues! Not as bad as this specimen, but all had peels on one or more surface areas.

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,698 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cool, that's something one does not see every day

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