Wow, $15k - $20k would buy an awful lot of nicer looking stuff.
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I think two pages are members informing us that they don't like Eisenhower Dollars, like we don't know that. if I entered every thread about stuff that doesn't interest me I could catch RickO in post count!!
@keets said: Three pages on this one......C'mon man.
I think two pages are members informing us that they don't like Eisenhower Dollars, like we don't know that. if I entered every thread about stuff that doesn't interest me I could catch RickO in post count!!
I like Ike(s)
I am inherently skeptical of wild toning that is peddled by just a few. I honestly feel that there is an onus for more established posters to challenge things and assumptions made by people who may be thinking more with passion & exuberance than technical comprehension. Pretty and desirable doesn't have to be of some vague & arbitrary non-intentionally influenced origin to be collected but it would make me happy to know that each one of my fellow collectors who pony up their money do so with eyes open that clusters of 1 in a 1,000,000 chemical reactions are to be viewed as potentially one transaction away from being labeled with a value crushing reputation.
The prolific amount of pretty Morgan's that came from semi unique storage/time/location combos are also prolific because the shear number of coins (millions). The midcentury mint sets and a few brands of collectors folders have led people to think there are pockets of toned gems waiting to be found and are to be expected which is kind of naïve. The market has grown to support that demand one way or another and we all know faking is happening but a few love the stories of the wet basement folder full of monsters. The few peace dollars, buffalo nickels or ikes that made it into TPG holders are then over zealously chased because of the perception that they are somehow more legitimate and immune form the (discredited) next transaction risk. On one hand may be partially true due to the prestige of PCGS but it is drifting away from one of the truisms of our hobby which is the coin is what it is no matter the packaging.
@braddick said:
It must be sweet being so much smarter than the graders and finalizers of PCGS, along with the team of Spectrum Numismatics! I wish to be so gifted, yet alas, I am not—a mere mortal without the expertise to condemn via photos instead of notables viewing this coin in hand.
(Least I am accused of being too sarcastic, I state the above with love in my voice.)
yah PCGS has never gotten something wrong or had to adapt the nefarious intent of hucksters. Isn't it funny how it was mainly 2 dealers who found most of these spectacular Ikes? And to PCGS's credit that wouldn't be holdered today. Just like the buffalos that were a hit a few years ago before being exposed
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If you are talking about the OP's Ike, it has a cert beginning with 41 which is fairly recent. Just received coins last month with 42. FWIW, I would have to see it in hand before I could cast shade on the coin.
Every time I think I have figured out PCGS numbering system I get proven wrong. Even if smarter people than I, which there are many can decipher date stamps in the numbering system. there are ways to get new numbers on new holders without cracking out coins and taking that risk. I don't think one can ascertain when a coin was first holdered by the SN on it's current holder. As always I can be wrong
@braddick said:
It must be sweet being so much smarter than the graders and finalizers of PCGS, along with the team of Spectrum Numismatics! I wish to be so gifted, yet alas, I am not—a mere mortal without the expertise to condemn via photos instead of notables viewing this coin in hand.
(Least I am accused of being too sarcastic, I state the above with love in my voice.)
yah PCGS has never gotten something wrong or had to adapt the nefarious intent of hucksters. Isn't it funny how it was mainly 2 dealers who found most of these spectacular Ikes? And to PCGS's credit that wouldn't be holdered today. Just like the buffalos that were a hit a few years ago before being exposed
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If you are talking about the OP's Ike, it has a cert beginning with 41 which is fairly recent. Just received coins last month with 42. FWIW, I would have to see it in hand before I could cast shade on the coin.
Every time I think I have figured out PCGS numbering system I get proven wrong. Even if smarter people than I, which there are many can decipher date stamps in the numbering system. there are ways to get new numbers on new holders without cracking out coins and taking that risk. I don't think one can ascertain when a coin was first holdered by the SN on it's current holder. As always I can be wrong
That being said, the Legend Ike is more recent than the others because the TrueView has the new background and logo.
It is interesting that Legend doesn’t have a slab photo for this like that had in the past. Is lack of slab photos a new thing?
@braddick said:
It must be sweet being so much smarter than the graders and finalizers of PCGS, along with the team of Spectrum Numismatics! I wish to be so gifted, yet alas, I am not—a mere mortal without the expertise to condemn via photos instead of notables viewing this coin in hand.
(Least I am accused of being too sarcastic, I state the above with love in my voice.)
yah PCGS has never gotten something wrong or had to adapt the nefarious intent of hucksters. Isn't it funny how it was mainly 2 dealers who found most of these spectacular Ikes? And to PCGS's credit that wouldn't be holdered today. Just like the buffalos that were a hit a few years ago before being exposed
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If you are talking about the OP's Ike, it has a cert beginning with 41 which is fairly recent. Just received coins last month with 42. FWIW, I would have to see it in hand before I could cast shade on the coin.
Every time I think I have figured out PCGS numbering system I get proven wrong. Even if smarter people than I, which there are many can decipher date stamps in the numbering system. there are ways to get new numbers on new holders without cracking out coins and taking that risk. I don't think one can ascertain when a coin was first holdered by the SN on it's current holder. As always I can be wrong
That being said, the Legend Ike is more recent than the others because the TrueView has the new background and logo.
It is interesting that Legend doesn’t have a slab photo for this like that had in the past. Is lack of slab photos a new thing?
Or that the TV is so glamorized that it doesn't help to show something that undermines the marketing objective.
Seated Half Society member #38 "Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
I didn't say that @keets My assertion is that sometimes TVs do not truly reflect the in-hand view. I have also seen several that have a red shift or emphasis when the coin does not possess that coloration. I am not attacking Phil or PCGS. I'm merely stating what I have personally observed.
My comment regarding marketing was pertaining to Legend.
Seated Half Society member #38 "Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
sometimes TVs do not truly reflect the in-hand view
part of that is due to the fact that the TrueView image is taken of the "raw" coin, but almost universally all it takes is rotating/tilting a slab to the proper lighting orientation to see the TV in-hand.
what would you expect PCGS/PA to do, capture an image to show each coin badly represented?? ask ALL of the forum members who take pictures: do you try to capture an image of a coin to show it at its best or worst(understanding that in both cases it is as the coin actually looks)??
The most important factors going for this specific coin is:
number one-It's straight graded in the top grading service holder.
number two-It is a color bomb but in no way would I believe it would sell for a record price if not in the top service holder straight graded.
The lofty grade of MS68+ is completely secondary and could be why it did not CAC if tried to get beaned.
I find this thread very intriguing in a similar way as the Anaconda Peace dollar was fascinating to the hobby.
I think it would be great to know the facts of where and how this coin came to light because there is no other Ike dollar out there currently like this one.
The sad reality is that is Yes there are Ike Dollars worth big money and there are those that seem to be waiting for those coins to come to them instead of acknowledging that they exit and searching for them...
You can lead a horse to the water but you can't make them drink it... And we have those that claim there is no Santa Claus in numismatics... I'm done... good luck
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
@gtstang said:
The most important factors going for this specific coin is:
number one-It's straight graded in the top grading service holder.
number two-It is a color bomb but in no way would I believe it would sell for a record price if not in the top service holder straight graded.
The lofty grade of MS68+ is completely secondary and could be why it did not CAC if tried to get beaned.
I find this thread very intriguing in a similar way as the Anaconda Peace dollar was fascinating to the hobby.
I think it would be great to know the facts of where and how this coin came to light because there is no other Ike dollar out there currently like this one.
I agree completely, I also remember the fierce animosity that the people who believed that the peace dollar was legit had to the realists and the poetic waxing of speculation on how it came to be. Most of the OGs knew it was bull which of course it was. Man was it pretty though
TDN was the first I remember saying that it is either MA or not and that was all anybody can prove so that should be the focus. IMHO there is a pragmatic maturity and truth to that. If the doc is an artist, so be it.
I love this discussion. It is interesting and with a variety of opinions and topical.
Please, point me to where I stated or even implied > @joeykoins said:
Bottom line for this whole Ike thread.
"To Each His/Her Own".
Naw. I'd rather go with I'm right and everyone else is wrong.
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Wow, $15k - $20k would buy an awful lot of nicer looking stuff.
USAF (Ret) 1974 - 1994 - The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. Remembering RickO, a brother in arms.
collect what you love but I wouldn't pay a penny over $1 for that coin.
A certified 69 WW2 ase 2019 69 ERP S plus some tenth oz. gold. All the 2021 ase types 1&2 proofs W&S the limited edition set 95W. 69 ase Just to name a few. The 2006 2011 2012 2013 2019 2021 ase sets
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
That doesn't look like a natural progression. But I could be wrong, its very hard to tell .
I recall getting my butt reamed by kaz on a 73cc LSD that was up for auction at GC, only commenting how rare in MS they are.
Three pages on this one......C'mon man.
Three pages on this one......C'mon man.
I think two pages are members informing us that they don't like Eisenhower Dollars, like we don't know that. if I entered every thread about stuff that doesn't interest me I could catch RickO in post count!!
I like Ike(s)
I am inherently skeptical of wild toning that is peddled by just a few. I honestly feel that there is an onus for more established posters to challenge things and assumptions made by people who may be thinking more with passion & exuberance than technical comprehension. Pretty and desirable doesn't have to be of some vague & arbitrary non-intentionally influenced origin to be collected but it would make me happy to know that each one of my fellow collectors who pony up their money do so with eyes open that clusters of 1 in a 1,000,000 chemical reactions are to be viewed as potentially one transaction away from being labeled with a value crushing reputation.
The prolific amount of pretty Morgan's that came from semi unique storage/time/location combos are also prolific because the shear number of coins (millions). The midcentury mint sets and a few brands of collectors folders have led people to think there are pockets of toned gems waiting to be found and are to be expected which is kind of naïve. The market has grown to support that demand one way or another and we all know faking is happening but a few love the stories of the wet basement folder full of monsters. The few peace dollars, buffalo nickels or ikes that made it into TPG holders are then over zealously chased because of the perception that they are somehow more legitimate and immune form the (discredited) next transaction risk. On one hand may be partially true due to the prestige of PCGS but it is drifting away from one of the truisms of our hobby which is the coin is what it is no matter the packaging.
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
Every time I think I have figured out PCGS numbering system I get proven wrong. Even if smarter people than I, which there are many can decipher date stamps in the numbering system. there are ways to get new numbers on new holders without cracking out coins and taking that risk. I don't think one can ascertain when a coin was first holdered by the SN on it's current holder. As always I can be wrong
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
That being said, the Legend Ike is more recent than the others because the TrueView has the new background and logo.
It is interesting that Legend doesn’t have a slab photo for this like that had in the past. Is lack of slab photos a new thing?
Or that the TV is so glamorized that it doesn't help to show something that undermines the marketing objective.
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
Looks the same as the day I bought it around 1997-98. The toning has not changed
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
Or that the TV is so glamorized that it doesn't help to show something that undermines the marketing objective.
to insinuate that PCGS and Phil Arnold support image manipulation is a little over the top, don't you think?
I didn't say that @keets My assertion is that sometimes TVs do not truly reflect the in-hand view. I have also seen several that have a red shift or emphasis when the coin does not possess that coloration. I am not attacking Phil or PCGS. I'm merely stating what I have personally observed.
My comment regarding marketing was pertaining to Legend.
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
If you have $15,000 to spend on an Ike Dollar... make it count.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
sometimes TVs do not truly reflect the in-hand view
part of that is due to the fact that the TrueView image is taken of the "raw" coin, but almost universally all it takes is rotating/tilting a slab to the proper lighting orientation to see the TV in-hand.
what would you expect PCGS/PA to do, capture an image to show each coin badly represented?? ask ALL of the forum members who take pictures: do you try to capture an image of a coin to show it at its best or worst(understanding that in both cases it is as the coin actually looks)??
The most important factors going for this specific coin is:
number one-It's straight graded in the top grading service holder.
number two-It is a color bomb but in no way would I believe it would sell for a record price if not in the top service holder straight graded.
The lofty grade of MS68+ is completely secondary and could be why it did not CAC if tried to get beaned.
I find this thread very intriguing in a similar way as the Anaconda Peace dollar was fascinating to the hobby.
I think it would be great to know the facts of where and how this coin came to light because there is no other Ike dollar out there currently like this one.
What to all those wierdly toned Roosevelt dimes have to to with IKEs?
Is it me or are we getting a bit off topic?
Its good to see an Ike thread for a change....
This 64 beats it for "beauty" - since the photo is in coin facts, I have to say this one is nicely toned for a clad!!!
PsyIKEchedelic Ikes or "PsyIkes ???!"
Bottom line for this whole Ike thread.
"To Each His/Her Own".
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.The sad reality is that is Yes there are Ike Dollars worth big money and there are those that seem to be waiting for those coins to come to them instead of acknowledging that they exit and searching for them...
You can lead a horse to the water but you can't make them drink it... And we have those that claim there is no Santa Claus in numismatics... I'm done... good luck
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
I agree completely, I also remember the fierce animosity that the people who believed that the peace dollar was legit had to the realists and the poetic waxing of speculation on how it came to be. Most of the OGs knew it was bull which of course it was. Man was it pretty though
TDN was the first I remember saying that it is either MA or not and that was all anybody can prove so that should be the focus. IMHO there is a pragmatic maturity and truth to that. If the doc is an artist, so be it.
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
I love this discussion. It is interesting and with a variety of opinions and topical.
Please, point me to where I stated or even implied > @joeykoins said:
Naw. I'd rather go with I'm right and everyone else is wrong.
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"We have to get these bags of worthless Morgan Dollars out of the bank's safe so they can be replaced by bags of these > @jessewvu said:
Jeez - even The British don't like that Ike!
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So just to follow up with this, this hammered yesterday for $13,500. FYI
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