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1965 Kennedy - Is this SMS or business strike? Worth slabbing?

Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 4,354 ✭✭✭✭✭

I’m planning on submitting a few coins at the Long Beach Show. I’m narrowed down to just a few coins and this is one of them. Do you think this is a SMS or a business strike? Do you think this is worth getting slabbed?

Mr_Spud

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not if those marks on Kennedy's face are really there.... Definitely not. Cheers, RickO

  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's pretty beat up so I don't think it merits a slab.

  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 4,354 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 26, 2021 3:48PM

    Thanks, that narrows it down even further as to what I plan on submitting. The scuffs are there on the cheek and neck, but not deep, more like luster breaks. I don’t remember where this coin came from, but I was thinking I might have something good if it is a business strike and if PCGS didn’t mark it down too much for the light scuffs. I can’t see any other hits or defects anywhere else on the coin.

    Mr_Spud

  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Problem is those scuffs are in a prime focal point.

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 27, 2021 7:38AM

    If you want, have it graded.
    A really nice looking coin.
    I personally would not but so many of us have been wrong interpreting pictures.
    Wayne

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  • NickelMikeNickelMike Posts: 189 ✭✭✭

    Save your money

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,898 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why would you even consider slabbing that? It is melting pot material with those marks on JFK's face.

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  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 4,354 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was considering slabbing it as a long shot chance that it is a circulation strike that might get a high grade because the scuffs on the face are the only marks on the coin. I have 8 grading vouchers to use up but only about 5 coins worth slabbing so I went through some old boxes of raw coins looking for some coins that might be worthwhile to try as long shots.

    Mr_Spud

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you were looking to buy a high grade coin, would you choose one with similar marks on it?

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,765 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I wouldn't waste my time with that coin.

  • goldengolden Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hard pass.

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 7,807 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It’s an SMS anyway.

  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 4,354 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 27, 2021 5:58PM

    @CoinscratchFever said:
    It’s an SMS anyway.

    Thanks, the other SMS’s I have all have mirrors like a proof, but this one doesn’t remotely resemble a proof.

    Mr_Spud

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 7,807 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Mr_Spud said:

    @CoinscratchFever said:
    It’s an SMS anyway.

    Thanks, the other SMS’s I have all have mirrors like a proof, but this one doesn’t remotely resemble a proof.

    Well it’s either that or its PL like, going by the reflective surfaces on the obverse, nose and forehead.
    The overall look as well strikes me as an SMS.

  • CoinHoarderCoinHoarder Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Other than the slabbing question.

    From past information I have read on this, I’m not even sure there is a definitive way to tell if a coin 1965 through 1967 coin, is a business strike or SMS.

    What characteristics determine whether a coin is a business strike or SMS?

    Of course, the 1965, if still in the flat pack is a sure way. But how about the 1966 and 1967 coins that can be swapped out of the special mint sets?

  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 4,354 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 27, 2021 7:43PM

    @CoinHoarder said:
    Other than the slabbing question.

    From past information I have read on this, I’m not even sure there is a definitive way to tell if a coin 1965 through 1967 coin, is a business strike or SMS.

    What characteristics determine whether a coin is a business strike or SMS?

    I was wondering the same thing. Ignoring the scuffmarks on the cheek and neck for a moment, I really can’t tell if this is a business strike or a SMS.

    Mr_Spud

  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 10,714 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CoinHoarder said:
    What characteristics determine whether a coin is a business strike or SMS?

    I am certainly no expert but my opinion is that if it too nice it is called an SMS; between the overworked dies and the poor mint quality the business strikes were never very good for much of the 60's and early 70's.

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  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    SMS.
    And...no.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,411 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 7,807 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have seen mistakes in the Special mint coins even in the 2005d cent. Here is the CoinFacts pic which even though it's listed in business strike it is clearly a satin finish SMS. I heard tell this is in Hansen's collection but cannot confirm.

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