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Is it a chopmark?

jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭✭✭

Are these staple scratches? 😄

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  • MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 8,880 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 17, 2021 10:20AM

    Yes. At least I think it is... interesting coin.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,702 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks it to me

  • ms71ms71 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My guess is yes.

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  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 17, 2021 11:17AM

    Host coin checks out and I want to say yes but when I see the extensive re-engraving near by I know that the tools needed to do that as non-punch wise were in close proximity and the question kills it for me. Engraving has similar tone too. I bet it is an unfinished decoration

    I wouldn’t put my money up as a type
    as so, but for melt I would put it in my cabinet tray.

  • LazybonesLazybones Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jayPem

    Is a frog's ass watertight?

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,345 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Lazybones said:
    @jayPem

    Is a frog's ass watertight?

    Definitely not

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,345 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Isn't it simply carved? The whole bust has been carved.

  • clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 4,973 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Isn't it simply carved? The whole bust has been carved.

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  • TradesWithChopsTradesWithChops Posts: 640 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 17, 2021 11:28AM

    the problem I have with it is the mark is disjoint/random. It doesn't appear to be a symbol/letter. it appears to be just regular damage to me.

    maybe a partial chop, but I'd pass on it myself.

    Minor Variety Trade dollar's with chop marks set:
    More Than It's Chopped Up To Be

  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I did not pick it up because of the possible chop (although I have quite a few chopped seated halves) I'm more interested in carved pieces. This one appeals to me greatly and I had to pay more than melt for it.
    Intention is to add seated half and dollar potty coins to my cabinet.
    Seated half potties are somewhat common, compared to dollars, and this one will, cuz of the nice long legs 😉 will fit in nicely to that set...

  • mbogomanmbogoman Posts: 5,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    FWIW, I'm leaning towards chop mark. Look at the corresponding area on the reverse (circled in red). It appears slightly raised and more worn than the surrounding areas. The edge of the eagle's wing has been completely worn off.

  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Chop. The reason it became a project was because host was chopped and was interesting enough and/or damaged enough to warrant embellishment.

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  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Weiss said:
    Chop. The reason it became a project was because host was chopped and was interesting enough and/or damaged enough to warrant embellishment.

    Maybe, possible theory. The age of the tooling is interesting as well

  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have to confess, I was really hoping it might be both...carved and chopped.
    Since its undoubtedly carved, its already a win!

  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭✭✭

    But if it is both, that has me thinking when where and why...
    Is it possible that a carved coin could have been dropped back into circulation before finding its way to the orient?
    If chopped and then returned to circulation, at what time would chopped halves been likely to have made it back to the US?
    What is considered to be the era in which seated (and trade) coins were carved into potty dollars and such?
    Could it have been chopped and then carved in China way back when?

    Fun to think about.

  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I really like it as a carved piece.

    As a chopped piece, also nice

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  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mbogoman said:
    FWIW, I'm leaning towards chop mark. Look at the corresponding area on the reverse (circled in red). It appears slightly raised and more worn than the surrounding areas. The edge of the eagle's wing has been completely worn off.

    Forgot to check this before, but it lines up.
    Back of "chop" is raised and worn typically.
    In hand it seems to be a Chinese character with one side not fully struck..
    Plus, we've got the correct mint for almost all the chopped slh's I've ever seen 🙂

  • ChopmarkedTradesChopmarkedTrades Posts: 526 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like it might be a partial chop, the date/MM make sense for it to be as well.

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,655 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What chop character(s) do you think it may be that if struck on an angle would be so apparently deeply impressed on one side and essentially missing on the other?

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  • ChopmarkedTradesChopmarkedTrades Posts: 526 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TomB said:
    What chop character(s) do you think it may be that if struck on an angle would be so apparently deeply impressed on one side and essentially missing on the other?

    Not sure about the character based on what is visible (assuming that it is a chop), but many genuine chops have that angled strike that makes the character difficult to read.

  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Something like this possibly?

  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not the same chop obviously, but interestingly similar none the less..


  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Also, I believe I was able to locate the hammer that struck it as well...😄

  • ChopmarkedTradesChopmarkedTrades Posts: 526 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think something closer to this (forgive the terrible drawing skills), something akin to a '大' (da - big) without the top dash, and with an added triangle.

  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think I posted that chop (da-big) up above, with an added triangle.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No doubt about the tooling.... That is interesting. It could be a chop, certainly it was struck with sufficient force to distort the reverse. Cheers, RickO

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,115 ✭✭✭✭✭

    On a separate but related note, is that a chop on the rev? To the left of H and below the leaf? Peace Roy

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