GTG, a Walker and a Long Island Commem.

keets

Enjoy.

Al H.

here are the coins with the cert numbers.

gumby1234

66 on the 44 S
Hard to tell on the commerative. Could be some light wear or the photo and the toning makes it ought to tell. I'll guess 64 anyways. Bet it looks much better in hand.

MrBluster

66 for the Walker, I have no idea on the LI so my guess 67.

CoinJunkie

I'll guess 66 for both. Love that Walker!! Never owned or learned to grade LI commems. I have seen high graded ones with less than blazing luster, though.

291fifth

64 on the '44-S. It is not well enough struck to merit anything more in spite of nice surfaces. To me, strike is a very important factor in grading, probably more so than at the TPG's.

No idea on the commem. It would have to be seen in hand. The toning is unappealing.

ThreeCentSilverFL

65 on the Walker. It’s pleasing. No clue on the commem.

Catbert

Poor amputated Miss Liberty! Guess 66 with no marks. Dunno with LI.

Walkerguy21D

65 on both.

@291fifth said
64 on the '44-S. It is not well enough struck to merit anything more in spite of nice surfaces. To me, strike is a very important factor in grading, probably more so than at the TPG's.

I valued strike and mark free surfaces above all else, when hunting raw walkers many years ago. Learned the hard way that luster trumped both at the TPGs, or at least used to. Some of my raw coin leftovers that I sold are now making it into 5 and 6 holders, so perhaps things have shifted a bit.

JBN

Your GTGs are challenging. Thanks for posting them.
I would initially estimate 64+ as a max due to strike. But yours appears to be so original and lustrous as to merit a much higher grade, perhaps superb gem/67 under normal strike conditions. On a toughie like this a compromise grade allowing for strike would be appropriate - 65-66. I think the eye appeal probably got it a 66.

ricko

I would say 64 on the WLH and ..... That reverse on the LI.... well, IMO...(and that is because of personal preferences) 63. Cheers, RickO

breakdown

66 on the Walker. Good central strikes on the 44-S are like hen’s teeth. I like the toning.
65 on the LI commem. That toning isn’t for everyone but is pretty common in a number of commems.

DollarAfterDollar

MS 66+ on the Walker, the Long Island looks like rub on the eyebrows but the picture is just not clear. I'd guess AU 58 based upon my observation.

braddick

I am hoping the strike doesn't hold back the Walker and perhaps the slightly muted luster doesn't conflict with the commemorative: MS67 on both coins unless they're the best looking AU58s on the planet.
Both are sweet-looking coins.

pursuitofliberty

Walker is a 66 (or maybe better) in by eyes, even if the strike is typical S

Like many, I can't get good read on the Long Island. It looks for all the world like a 58 in those pictures.

divecchia

I'm going to guess MS64 on the Walker and MS65 on the Long Island.

Donato

Cougar1978

64 on LI as it seems poorly struck. 64 on WLH as well as strike may not be there for 65. In addition dark toning at upper lt on WLH a problem for me so no go - C coin. Another thing on WLH is that a major mark on her - obv?

By all means share TPG grades.

Thumbs down on booth. Recommendation: blow them out at blue sheet / or start on bay at 99c. Focus on coins that are brilliant, little or no toning, wellstruck, with nice luster or or PQ w super cartwheel luster. They sell like block busters for me. Remember some toned coins may be nice but over time tone will darken further becoming really doggy (reaction to atmosphere).

Regards

Smudge

Both 65.

Mr_Spud

66 on both

kaz

66 on the Walker, 65 on the LI?

Sandman70gt

An amputated Miss Liberty (as is common on these S mints) - 66 and slight circulation maybe? so 58.

lkenefic

I'll say 64 on the Walker and 65 on the Long Island...

Kove

66 - 1944-S
64 - Long Island

hummingbird_coins

66 and 67 is my guess

BryceM

66 and 65.

TomB

The WLH looks like it has great luster and really attractive, lightly speckled toning. I wouldn't refer to it as "amputated", but rather as "Napoleonic". I wish I could blow up the image, but I can't. The 1944-S is a well-known coin for issues that affected strike quality and this piece is about a weakly struck in the center (both sides combined) that I have ever seen. If there are a few trivial graves or ticks in the fields then I would go MS65, but if they are as clean as the TV appears then I am in at MS66. Truly, I think this coin has booming luster when rotated.

The LI is an example of a coin I would call "handsome" instead of "attractive". My interpretation of the images makes me believe it has almost an abalone reflectance when tilted and that this color would sit above the deeper, more distinct toning below. I like that affect, but my experience is that most others do not. It also looks to have very clean surfaces. If the luster is muted on the obverse over the conjoined busts, which it appears to perhaps be, then MS65 looks appropriate, but if the luster is actually good and clear throughout then MS66 looks to be the grade.

I like both coins very much.

jesbroken

While both coins happen to have weak strikes, which the 44s and 42s are commonly known for. The Walker exhibits great luster and no discernible damaging marks or hits so I would imagine a grade of 66+ for it and not well enough versed on the LI to make a guess. Nice Walker.
Jim

keets

both coins have been graded MS66 by PCGS. the TrueView images are accurate and the post by TomB above is a good summation.

I have come to learn that grading "S" Mint Walkers can be challenging. collectors need to resign themselves to the fact that many dates have weak central detail on both sides. the luster on the 1944-S is moderately strong and while I know many collectors don't like the pastel, speckled tone this coin has, it is really quite attractive in-hand and mark free. one area that always turns me away from a Walker is scuffing to the right in the obverse field and on the sun. this coin is absent anything in those areas.

the Long Island is a favorite type commem for me. I like the way it's designed to leave very little field area and it also has a moderately high relief. these two things seem to influence how the coins tone, quite often with a pearl-esque appearance and strong outline of the portraits and ship. the strike is good and the luster is strong. perhaps it's the color which causes members to see it as an AU or weakly struck. in-hand it has minimal contact marks and no rub, just areas of lighter tone.

thanks for everyone's comments, I'm going to post a few more tomorrow.

jesbroken

This is as large as I could make it. Beautiful Walker. This photo is enlarged by 5 times original so it should be easily viewed with magnification in Windows viewer or whichever one uses. Is that a delamination on the skirt?
Jim

Coinscratch

Late but was thinking 67 and 58.
Then read your explanation.

ThreeCentSilverFL

The Walker as stated is pleasing. Thanks for posting the grades.

CoinJunkie

For some reason, the toning on LI commems is rarely attractive to me. On a lark, I went over to Coinfacts and found a couple I rather like:

Walkerfan

MS 65 on both.

Great original surfaces.