Tough early date walker GTG - 1919-D grade revealed in first post

clarkbar04

Late teens branch mint coins aren't known for their strikes - and this is no exception. This just graded at the show in vegas, I bought it raw.
This has been to pcgs twice, the first time pcgs said unc details cleaned. Not seeing any signs of a cleaning, I sent it to be graded at the Vegas show where it graded au58, which the grade I had been anticipating initially.

koynekwest

That's still a nice coin, strike deficiencies or not. Maybe MS62.

tradedollarnut

50

Walkerfan

55

kaz

NIce! 55?

coinkat

Terrific coin for the date. This is one that you will not regret buying regardless of how it graded. Congrats

I see 55 easily.

Crypto

Want to say 62 but since it is a 19d I’ll go 58

Smudge

50.

gumby1234

45

jdimmick

I guessing 62, although strike is quite soft even for a 19-d.

Walkerguy21D

Leaning towards 55, but 58 is very possible, especially based on the reverse. Beautiful and very tough!!

pcgscacgold

That is an amazing coin. Blows my mind to see these in the wild. How many more out there?

The fields are exceptional. Reverse detail is much better then obverse. I will go with 58 or 63 and CAC on either one.

breakdown

It's a great looking coin, particularly the reverse. The central strike of a 19-D is almost always soft. There are one or two that seem to have been prepared by a special lot with a near full srike. The Forsythe MS66 is in particular an outlier.

Anyway, I don't necessarily see wear but I will guess 58 anyway.

NumisOxide

58

The_Dinosaur_Man

My initial guess is 53, but if the bald spots are from the weakness of strike, then this coin should easily hit the 62-64 range.

Walkerguy21D

@breakdown said:
It's a great looking coin, particularly the reverse. The central strike of a 19-D is almost always soft. There are one or two that seem to have been prepared by a special lot with a near full srike. The Forsythe MS66 is in particular an outlier.

My old album coin was a whizzed retoned AU50 details coin that had a full split thumb and nearly full head details. There’s no doubt that coin was fully struck when it left the mint.
After I bought my slabbed “typical strike “ example, I sold it to a collector/dealer walker specialist for nearly what I paid for my straight grade example.

nwcoast

Nice coin!
I’m in the 55 camp.

pursuitofliberty

Nice coin ... tough one for sure. 53

morgandollar1878

AU58

privatecoin

63

ChangeInHistory

55

Connecticoin

53

SIowhand

45

7Jaguars

I'll take the over on 50 any day. I got 58.

TomB

Holy Cow! I really don't see wear on the coin, but if the fields have small hairlines consistent with circulation then I would grade it AU58. Otherwise, it looks like an MS62 coin to me. This is also a really attractive piece for the date with pleasant toning. Nice snag!

dcarr

I see a weak strike on the central obverse, but not any actual wear.
So MS61.

JBN

Nice example. Tough GTG. AU55.

Project Numismatics

58 - with more eye appeal than a lot of 61/62s.

Coinscratch

55

Jimnight

I'm guessing 63.

Kccoin

58-62

CoinJunkie

Just a guess, but I'll say mid-AU. Terrific coin, regardless of assigned grade.

streeter

63/64

ThreeCentSilverFL

AU55, nice looking '19-D.

DelawareDoons

58.

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amwldcoin

55

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steveben

au58. walkers are tough to grade i think.

Treashunt

nice piece, it should unc. I don't see any wear.

coinkat

I don't recall if I have shared this story... if I have my apologies... if not, it falls into the lessons learned category. About 18 years ago, I had a rare opportunity to buy an attractive 1919-D WLH. It was an amazing coin and at the time it was offered, it was a fair price and it was at a time in my life when I had other and more important obligations to deal with. The dealer, who I consider my friend and never placed pressure to buy anything even opined... which was simply not the norm... that this is an opportunity. Well, I passed and I know it was sold minutes later to a dealer that just so happened to be in the right place at the right time. Not buying this coin was my greatest regret with American Numismatics... it was the best example of this date I would ever see in a price range I could manage. It's just that at that point in time, I felt I could not manage it. We all make mistakes and we are better numismatists for admitting that we make mistakes and learning from them. The 1919-D has been for me what I would consider to be the "white whale" for the series.

crazyhounddog

I know the grade so I’m out of this contest. I’m chiming in the congratulate my coin brother, Clarkbar on such a GREAT purchase. I think he has one of the best eye for coins I’ve seen in a long time.
Way to go my coin brother 👍

coinkat

If it grades MS... my story becomes even more compelling

DelawareDoons

@coinkat said:
I don't recall if I have shared this story... if I have my apologies... if not, it falls into the lessons learned category. About 18 years ago, I had a rare opportunity to buy an attractive 1919-D WLH. It was an amazing coin and at the time it was offered, it was a fair price and it was at a time in my life when I had other and more important obligations to deal with. The dealer, who I consider my friend and never placed pressure to buy anything even opined... which was simply not the norm... that this is an opportunity. Well, I passed and I know it was sold minutes later to a dealer that just so happened to be in the right place at the right time. Not buying this coin was my greatest regret with American Numismatics... it was the best example of this date I would ever see in a price range I could manage. It's just that at that point in time, I felt I could not manage it. We all make mistakes and we are better numismatists for admitting that we make mistakes and learning from them. The 1919-D has been for me what I would consider to be the "white whale" for the series.

Been there done that. Now I just buy it and figure the money out later. Hasn't steered me wrong yet.

CoinJunkie

@coinkat said:
I don't recall if I have shared this story... if I have my apologies... if not, it falls into the lessons learned category. About 18 years ago, I had a rare opportunity to buy an attractive 1919-D WLH. It was an amazing coin and at the time it was offered, it was a fair price and it was at a time in my life when I had other and more important obligations to deal with. The dealer, who I consider my friend and never placed pressure to buy anything even opined... which was simply not the norm... that this is an opportunity. Well, I passed and I know it was sold minutes later to a dealer that just so happened to be in the right place at the right time. Not buying this coin was my greatest regret with American Numismatics... it was the best example of this date I would ever see in a price range I could manage. It's just that at that point in time, I felt I could not manage it. We all make mistakes and we are better numismatists for admitting that we make mistakes and learning from them. The 1919-D has been for me what I would consider to be the "white whale" for the series.

My version of that story involves an original, gorgeously toned GB Gothic crown in an OGH PR65 holder. I came across it at NEN's booth in Long Beach maybe 15 years ago. I looked at it long and hard, but just couldn't justify spending $16.5k on any coin at that time. Nowadays a coin in that grade would go for 2-3x the price and 99% of them wouldn't be half as nice. The final arrow to my heart was recently asking NEN if they knew the current whereabouts of the coin. They told me no, and they were also certain it was no longer in the OGH.

Walkerguy21D

@DelawareDoons said:

@coinkat said:

Been there done that. Now I just buy it and figure the money out later. Hasn't steered me wrong yet.

Yes! Though I wished I'd adopted this philosophy earlier and applied it more consistently. Still, it helped me get my 21P in OGH 58 and my 21D in 53. Both of them I initially passed on as the prices were over sheet and quite expensive at the time, but then I convinced myself to suck it up and grab them. It helped that another dealer was literally breathing down my neck on the 21P when I came back for it, making it now or never, and was quite disappointed when I broke down and paid the price.

coinkat

I can relate to the story Coinjunkie shared mainly because British coinage is significantly underappreciated and I collect what I can that makes sense. I have a 1746 LIMA crown graded MS64 which is among the finest known. I mentioned that coin only to relate to your story.

jesbroken

I see it as a 55. If it grades MS, I will need to study a great deal more. Regardless, a very nice 19D. I know this coin is super rare in mid MS up and hard to find well struck in EF and AU. I just haven't seen enough of them to decide if it warrants a grade higher than AU. Thanks for sharing, it has really added to my library of walkers.
Jim

ricko

I will hazard a guess at AU58.... Nice Walker.... Cheers, RickO

coinkat

This has run its course... consider timely posting the grade.

Walkerfan

This is really exciting!!