Anything is possible.
I have to admit it’s possible it’s a proof. A second look does show the rims to be sharp on the inside and out with the exception of the reverse next to the Bisons tail, this thru me off. So I checked it out to find most all 1915 proof buffalo also has this dull, rounded rim in the same area. It is possible that it is an impaired proof coin that is AU and cleaned shown on the Indians forehead and hair. From the pic it also appears to have some rub. I’m still leaning towards a business strike with proof dies that they used to produce business strikes. If the outside of the rims are polished it’s about the only way I could determine, in hand, if it’s a proof or not.
Good luck
The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
@crazyhounddog said:
Anything is possible.
I have to admit it’s possible it’s a proof. A second look does show the rims to be sharp on the inside and out with the exception of the reverse next to the Bisons tail, this thru me off. So I checked it out to find most all 1915 proof buffalo also has this dull, rounded rim in the same area. It is possible that it is an impaired proof coin that is AU and cleaned shown on the Indians forehead and hair. From the pic it also appears to have some rub. I’m still leaning towards a business strike with proof dies that they used to produce business strikes. If the outside of the rims are polished it’s about the only way I could determine, in hand, if it’s a proof or not.
Good luck
Anything is possible? NO... your intransigence in the face of close to a century of numismatic expertise precludes your ever learning much about coins.
One of the foremost authenticators in the industry has told you that he's never seen a a particular diagnostic on a business strike. One of the best graders in history (helped found NGC) gave you two diagnostics.
You think your opinion is worth something, but people who know coins well recognize them as ill-informed.
I'm giving you facts.
You shot your mouth off before you looked closely at the coin.
You're never going to see the coin, and you're never going to be convinced.
Good luck. You need it real bad.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
I am referencing the following quote from Coloneljessup above he made about Crazyhounddog:
Anything is possible? NO... your intransigence in the face of close to a century of numismatic expertise precludes your ever learning much about coins.
One of the foremost authenticators in the industry has told you that he's never seen a a particular diagnostic on a business strike. One of the best graders in history (helped found NGC) gave you two diagnostics.
You think your opinion is worth something, but people who know coins well recognize them as ill-informed.
I'm giving you facts.
You shot your mouth off before you looked closely at the coin.
You're never going to see the coin, and you're never going to be convinced.
Good luck. You need it real bad.
I have been involved in any number of discussions here that have degenerated into bouts of name calling and such.
I try to stay away from controversial statements such as this. As for this 1915 nickel I was asking anyone interested if he or
she had ever seen a strike like this. I made no inference that the coin was a proof, in fact I think not. I Think the dies for
this coin may have been set too close to each other and that is what resulted in the monster strike. Is the coin a proof? Me thinks not but will have to wait till I have the coin in hand. Is this the best struck 1915 nickel I have ever seen? Yes by far!
Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
@CaptHenway said:
I looked for the die line on the reverse rim and could not see it. There seems to be some sort of damage on the rim.
FWIW, I have never seen the die line in question on a non-Proof strike, though I would not rule out the possibility that an occasional rejected Proof might have been released among business strikes.
Are you talking about the line between these arrows or something else?
@CaptHenway said:
I looked for the die line on the reverse rim and could not see it. There seems to be some sort of damage on the rim.
FWIW, I have never seen the die line in question on a non-Proof strike, though I would not rule out the possibility that an occasional rejected Proof might have been released among business strikes.
Are you talking about the line between these arrows or something else?
YES THIS IS THE DIE MARKER SOME ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE. I HAVE SEEN THIS ON A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT
DATED 1913 TYPE TWO BUFFS BETWEEN 1913 AND 1915.
Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
Well I got the coin and back it goes to the seller
1) It does have the full strike as shown in the picture but
2) the color is light and looks to have been cleaned.
3) there are marks on the coin that are hidden in the dark shadows on the picture.
4) In short the picture looks much better than the coin in hand.
THE PHOTOGRAPHER DID A HECK OF A JOB WITH THIS COIN.
SORRY I WASTED EVERYONE’S TIME
If only the coin looked as nice as the picture
Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
@BUFFNIXX said:
Well I got the coin and back it goes to the seller
1) It does have the full strike as shown in the picture but
2) the color is light and looks to have been cleaned.
3) there are marks on the coin that are hidden in the dark shadows on the picture.
4) In short the picture looks much better than the coin in hand.
THE PHOTOGRAPHER DID A HECK OF A JOB WITH THIS COIN.
SORRY I WASTED EVERYONE’S TIME
If only the coin looked as nice as the picture
Grab an honest picture of it while you can.
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
For sure if you can! Then you can show them side by side to warn others about the gamble. I have bought a couple of good deals from them, but they were always better nice circ coins where it's almost impossible to manipulate the pictures into something it's not!
@BUFFNIXX said:
Well I got the coin and back it goes to the seller
1) It does have the full strike as shown in the picture but
2) the color is light and looks to have been cleaned.
3) there are marks on the coin that are hidden in the dark shadows on the picture.
4) In short the picture looks much better than the coin in hand.
THE PHOTOGRAPHER DID A HECK OF A JOB WITH THIS COIN.
SORRY I WASTED EVERYONE’S TIME
If only the coin looked as nice as the picture
You never asked if it was a proof; so true. You never asked for the die markers; true again.
You were told by two experts that it seemed essentially impossible that it was not a proof.
But you still doubt its proof status. You never checked to see if they were there.
You had the coin in hand.
You took a position opposite mine and refuse to refute it when evidence was in your hands. Your silence is everything.
Jeez
@CaptHenway said:
I looked for the die line on the reverse rim and could not see it. There seems to be some sort of damage on the rim.
FWIW, I have never seen the die line in question on a non-Proof strike, though I would not rule out the possibility that an occasional rejected Proof might have been released among business strikes.
Are you talking about the line between these arrows or something else?
YES THIS IS THE DIE MARKER SOME ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE. I HAVE SEEN THIS ON A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT
DATED 1913 TYPE TWO BUFFS BETWEEN 1913 AND 1915.
This is one of the two diagnostics for ALL type II Buffalos proof reverses. That's 1913 thru 1916. Only you, in the full recorded history of the series, have seen business strikes from these dies. You kept pictures, right?
Perhaps your opinion was formed during a recto-cranial infarction . Look it up .
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
@amwldcoin said:
For sure if you can! Then you can show them side by side to warn others about the gamble. I have bought a couple of good deals from them, but they were always better nice circ coins where it's almost impossible to manipulate the pictures into something it's not!
@BUFFNIXX said:
Well I got the coin and back it goes to the seller
1) It does have the full strike as shown in the picture but
2) the color is light and looks to have been cleaned.
3) there are marks on the coin that are hidden in the dark shadows on the picture.
4) In short the picture looks much better than the coin in hand.
THE PHOTOGRAPHER DID A HECK OF A JOB WITH THIS COIN.
SORRY I WASTED EVERYONE’S TIME
If only the coin looked as nice as the picture
Grab an honest picture of it while you can.
You have to at least take your pictures of the coin because we all need to see the results.
Pete
"I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
@amwldcoin said:
For sure if you can! Then you can show them side by side to warn others about the gamble. I have bought a couple of good deals from them, but they were always better nice circ coins where it's almost impossible to manipulate the pictures into something it's not!
@BUFFNIXX said:
Well I got the coin and back it goes to the seller
1) It does have the full strike as shown in the picture but
2) the color is light and looks to have been cleaned.
3) there are marks on the coin that are hidden in the dark shadows on the picture.
4) In short the picture looks much better than the coin in hand.
THE PHOTOGRAPHER DID A HECK OF A JOB WITH THIS COIN.
SORRY I WASTED EVERYONE’S TIME
If only the coin looked as nice as the picture
Grab an honest picture of it while you can.
You have to at least take your pictures of the coin because we all need to see the results.
Pete
OK Pete, here are the pictures.
Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
On the above pictures note the brown sludge on the reverse on the right side of the rim. Looks like the cleaning may have been attempted to get rid of this. And on the obverse the streaking is evidence of a dipping or cleaning. And to think it was described as “ 1915 Buffalo Nickel, Super Nice Superb Gem BU++, Tough This Nice”. Good Grief!
But, hey, the monster strike is still there. That has not been faked or modified in any manner.
Hey Colonel Ketchup what do you think of these pictures?
Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
@BUFFNIXX said:
On the above pictures note the brown sludge on the reverse on the right side of the rim. Looks like the cleaning may have been attempted to get rid of this. And on the obverse the streaking is evidence of a dipping or cleaning. And to think it was described as “ 1915 Buffalo Nickel, Super Nice Superb Gem BU++, Tough This Nice”. Good Grief!
But, hey, the monster strike is still there. That has not been faked or modified in any manner.
Hey Colonel Ketchup what do you think of these pictures?
Colonel Ketchup thinks your picture is too fuzzy to tell anything else other that Phot-Scam was used on the initial image. If you think the picture of the coin you took shows anything like that detail, it explains many of your perceptual issues. The Buffalo's head in your images looks smushed-down to 50'ish detail.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
I am referencing the following quote from Coloneljessup above he made about Crazyhounddog:
Anything is possible? NO... your intransigence in the face of close to a century of numismatic expertise precludes your ever learning much about coins.
One of the foremost authenticators in the industry has told you that he's never seen a a particular diagnostic on a business strike. One of the best graders in history (helped found NGC) gave you two diagnostics.
You think your opinion is worth something, but people who know coins well recognize them as ill-informed.
I'm giving you facts.
You shot your mouth off before you looked closely at the coin.
You're never going to see the coin, and you're never going to be convinced.
Good luck. You need it real bad.
I have been involved in any number of discussions here that have degenerated into bouts of name calling and such.
I try to stay away from controversial statements such as this. As for this 1915 nickel I was asking anyone interested if he or
she had ever seen a strike like this. I made no inference that the coin was a proof, in fact I think not. I Think the dies for
this coin may have been set too close to each other and that is what resulted in the monster strike. Is the coin a proof? Me thinks not but will have to wait till I have the coin in hand. Is this the best struck 1915 nickel I have ever seen? Yes by far!
All you got is to quote Colonel Ketchup and a wasted buffalo nickel😂
Thank you for your incredible input, looks like you’re wrong, what a surprise. Now that I see the coin I think maybe you should send it in to PCGS and get the real story. Not a proof or even close to a proof.
So much for wiping your feet on me.
Have a happy day, I know I will.
The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
In the above quote of Coloneljessup his text goes from
One of the foremost authenticators in the industry has told you that he's never seen a a particular diagnostic on a business strike. One of the best graders in history (helped found NGC) gave you two diagnostics.
You think your opinion is worth something, but people who know coins well recognize them as ill-informed.
I'm giving you facts.
You shot your mouth off before you looked closely at the coin.
You're never going to see the coin, and you're never going to be convinced.
Good luck. You need it real bad.
and ending here.
I was not trying to defame you in any way. The sentence “Good luck You need it real bad” was colonel jessups.
I might as well add “What a stinker of a coin, oink oink oink”.
Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
In the above quote of Coloneljessup his text goes from
One of the foremost authenticators in the industry has told you that he's never seen a a particular diagnostic on a business strike. One of the best graders in history (helped found NGC) gave you two diagnostics.
You think your opinion is worth something, but people who know coins well recognize them as ill-informed.
I'm giving you facts.
You shot your mouth off before you looked closely at the coin.
You're never going to see the coin, and you're never going to be convinced.
Good luck. You need it real bad.
and ending here.
I was not trying to defame you in any way. The sentence “Good luck You need it real bad” was colonel jessups.
This makes zero sense to me.
Yes you were trying to get under my skin just as colonel ketchup was. If not then why throw his quote at me.
All I’m doing is trying to participate in your thread as a buffalo nickel collector. I have NEVER, EVER claimed to be an expert but I have handled a lot of Buffalo nickels and I feel like I know my way around them pretty well. But, why the feet wiping? Is this what this forum is now, put a guy down for trying to participate in a tread? Really? It’s nice to be so well received.
Carry on as I feel it will continue.
The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
This is as large as I can make the coin and I do not see a die line. Not saying there is not one there but it's beyond me to visualize it. I can see a vertical something but not a die line. Hope it is a proof.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
@ColonelJessup said:
I'M SORRY YOU WASTED EVERYONE'S TIME TOO.
You never asked if it was a proof; so true. You never asked for the die markers; true again.
You were told by two experts that it seemed essentially impossible that it was not a proof.
But you still doubt its proof status. You never checked to see if they were there.
You don't take sides, even when establishing whether irrefutable or impossible. \
@CaptHenway said:
I looked for the die line on the reverse rim and could not see it. There seems to be some sort of damage on the rim.
FWIW, I have never seen the die line in question on a non-Proof strike, though I would not rule out the possibility that an occasional rejected Proof might have been released among business strikes.
Are you talking about the line between these arrows or something else?
YES THIS IS THE DIE MARKER SOME ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE. I HAVE SEEN THIS ON A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT
DATED 1913 TYPE TWO BUFFS BETWEEN 1913 AND 1915.
This is one of the two diagnostics for ALL type II Buffalos proof reverses. That's 1913 thru 1916. Only you, in the full recorded history of the series, have seen business strikes from these dies. You kept pictures, right?
Perhaps your opinion was formed during a recto-cranial infarction . Look it up .
Amazing strike. I know this seller’s reputation is somewhat dubious, but I pulled the trigger with them twice, and was quite pleased both times. Good luck.
Dave
Always looking for original, better date VF20-VF35 Barber quarters and halves, and a quality beer.
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
Doesn’t even look like the same coin. I agree, Gadzooks!
It's got a few spots in common to prove it is the same coin, but sheesh!
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
GSC would have been far more honest by using the images that @BUFFNIXX provided in this thread, at least they show a coin that has some issues. Their images have been tricked up more than a blowup troll doll made to look like Miss Universe.
Doesn’t even look like the same coin. I agree, Gadzooks!
It's got a few spots in common to prove it is the same coin, but sheesh!
Disagree, this is not the same coin. I believe the line on Buffalos front leg was photoshopped in to match the real coin.
Take a closer look at the marks on the back legs and other places including details on the head.
Edit: Nevermind I was comparing to the wrong coin that @Davewesen posted.
@TurtleCat said:
I wonder if that color in the seller pictures is coming from a backdrop behind the camera.
Or it could be a light dome and a carefully placed color source and then doing some clarity enhancements, hue shifts, and saturation.
Being a coin photographer myself I’m more than sure he is putting a single light at 12:00 low to cast hard shadows that gives the coins appearance of depth when it has none. Then on top of that they hit the contrast hard that enhanced the coin dramatically. I agree their photographer is good at making a pig look like a beauty queen.
The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
@TurtleCat said:
I wonder if that color in the seller pictures is coming from a backdrop behind the camera.
Or it could be a light dome and a carefully placed color source and then doing some clarity enhancements, hue shifts, and saturation.
Being a coin photographer myself I’m more than sure he is putting a single light at 12:00 low to cast hard shadows that gives the coins appearance of depth when it has none. Then on top of that they hit the contact hard that enhanced the coin dramatically. I agree their photographer is good at making a pig look like a beauty queen.
That’s a good point. I wonder how big the light source is to create that softness. Must be fairly large proportionately to the coin. I haven’t tried that kind of an approach but it would be a typical soft box portrait look. I think clarity or structure enhancement over just contrast. That provides some color shift, reduces some halos, and gives a sharper look.
For what they are trying to do, they are very good at it. Even though I’ve done photography for a couple of decades I get fooled by some simple tricks now and then.
@TurtleCat said:
I wonder if that color in the seller pictures is coming from a backdrop behind the camera.
Or it could be a light dome and a carefully placed color source and then doing some clarity enhancements, hue shifts, and saturation.
Being a coin photographer myself I’m more than sure he is putting a single light at 12:00 low to cast hard shadows that gives the coins appearance of depth when it has none. Then on top of that they hit the contact hard that enhanced the coin dramatically. I agree their photographer is good at making a pig look like a beauty queen.
That’s a good point. I wonder how big the light source is to create that softness. Must be fairly large proportionately to the coin. I haven’t tried that kind of an approach but it would be a typical soft box portrait look. I think clarity or structure enhancement over just contrast. That provides some color shift, reduces some halos, and gives a sharper look.
For what they are trying to do, they are very good at it. Even though I’ve done photography for a couple of decades I get fooled by some simple tricks now and then.
I’m pretty sure you can leave the soft box out of the deal. That would cast light over the coin completely, they don’t want that. I think I can duplicate their style of photography. I’m busy now but when I get a chance I’ll do my best to duplicate GSC’s imaging. I think I can get it pretty close.
Looking at the sellers pics compared to Tom’s pics, the rims of the two coins don’t even look the same. I’m not at all sure how they pulled that one off.
The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
Whatever the marketing intent, its just not kosher.
Look at how blocky the lettering is in that area! All you gotta do is compare the “L” in Liberty from the sellers pics to Tom’s pics. Look at all of the lettering there. No cigar!
Doesn’t look like the same coin, not even close. But somehow, it is🙁
The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
@crazyhounddog said:
I wouldn’t buy anything this seller offers. They are well know for selling problem coins.
That’s a fact.
I once bought a 1913 ty.1 buff so-called "gem unc" from them that pcgs graded proof-64 and....
I once bought a 1915 buff so-called "gem unc" from them that pcgs graded proof-64 and....
last but not least a 1916 buff so-called "gem unc" from the same guys that pcgs graded proof-65.
And I do believe that they juice some of their pics. Will give my opinion on this coin when it arrives.
I love it when an ebay cleaned coin crapster gets cherrypicked! 🤣🤣
Comments
I can't wait to see your pictures. Btw that 38-D has a killer strike.
Anything is possible.
I have to admit it’s possible it’s a proof. A second look does show the rims to be sharp on the inside and out with the exception of the reverse next to the Bisons tail, this thru me off. So I checked it out to find most all 1915 proof buffalo also has this dull, rounded rim in the same area. It is possible that it is an impaired proof coin that is AU and cleaned shown on the Indians forehead and hair. From the pic it also appears to have some rub. I’m still leaning towards a business strike with proof dies that they used to produce business strikes. If the outside of the rims are polished it’s about the only way I could determine, in hand, if it’s a proof or not.
Good luck
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Anything is possible? NO... your intransigence in the face of close to a century of numismatic expertise precludes your ever learning much about coins.
One of the foremost authenticators in the industry has told you that he's never seen a a particular diagnostic on a business strike. One of the best graders in history (helped found NGC) gave you two diagnostics.
You think your opinion is worth something, but people who know coins well recognize them as ill-informed.
I'm giving you facts.
You shot your mouth off before you looked closely at the coin.
You're never going to see the coin, and you're never going to be convinced.
Good luck. You need it real bad.
they have another 1915 now listed with the 8 o'clock reverse die rim line
I am referencing the following quote from Coloneljessup above he made about Crazyhounddog:
Anything is possible? NO... your intransigence in the face of close to a century of numismatic expertise precludes your ever learning much about coins.
One of the foremost authenticators in the industry has told you that he's never seen a a particular diagnostic on a business strike. One of the best graders in history (helped found NGC) gave you two diagnostics.
You think your opinion is worth something, but people who know coins well recognize them as ill-informed.
I'm giving you facts.
You shot your mouth off before you looked closely at the coin.
You're never going to see the coin, and you're never going to be convinced.
Good luck. You need it real bad.
I have been involved in any number of discussions here that have degenerated into bouts of name calling and such.
I try to stay away from controversial statements such as this. As for this 1915 nickel I was asking anyone interested if he or
she had ever seen a strike like this. I made no inference that the coin was a proof, in fact I think not. I Think the dies for
this coin may have been set too close to each other and that is what resulted in the monster strike. Is the coin a proof? Me thinks not but will have to wait till I have the coin in hand. Is this the best struck 1915 nickel I have ever seen? Yes by far!
a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
Are you talking about the line between these arrows or something else?
Collector, occasional seller
YES THIS IS THE DIE MARKER SOME ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE. I HAVE SEEN THIS ON A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT
DATED 1913 TYPE TWO BUFFS BETWEEN 1913 AND 1915.
a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
Well I got the coin and back it goes to the seller
1) It does have the full strike as shown in the picture but
2) the color is light and looks to have been cleaned.
3) there are marks on the coin that are hidden in the dark shadows on the picture.
4) In short the picture looks much better than the coin in hand.
THE PHOTOGRAPHER DID A HECK OF A JOB WITH THIS COIN.
SORRY I WASTED EVERYONE’S TIME
If only the coin looked as nice as the picture
a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
Grab an honest picture of it while you can.
For sure if you can! Then you can show them side by side to warn others about the gamble. I have bought a couple of good deals from them, but they were always better nice circ coins where it's almost impossible to manipulate the pictures into something it's not!
I'M SORRY YOU WASTED EVERYONE'S TIME TOO.
You never asked if it was a proof; so true. You never asked for the die markers; true again.
You were told by two experts that it seemed essentially impossible that it was not a proof.
But you still doubt its proof status. You never checked to see if they were there.
You had the coin in hand.
You took a position opposite mine and refuse to refute it when evidence was in your hands. Your silence is everything.
Jeez
This is one of the two diagnostics for ALL type II Buffalos proof reverses. That's 1913 thru 1916. Only you, in the full recorded history of the series, have seen business strikes from these dies. You kept pictures, right?
Perhaps your opinion was formed during a recto-cranial infarction
. Look it up 
.
You have to at least take your pictures of the coin because we all need to see the results.
Pete
And so it ends with the above post; Lets just let Colonel Klink have the last word!
a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
OK Pete, here are the pictures.
a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
On the above pictures note the brown sludge on the reverse on the right side of the rim. Looks like the cleaning may have been attempted to get rid of this. And on the obverse the streaking is evidence of a dipping or cleaning. And to think it was described as “ 1915 Buffalo Nickel, Super Nice Superb Gem BU++, Tough This Nice”. Good Grief!
But, hey, the monster strike is still there. That has not been faked or modified in any manner.
Hey Colonel Ketchup what do you think of these pictures?
a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
My My. What coin picture doctoring does cover up............................
Amazing enhancement to what you provided as photo evidence.
Pete
What a surprise.
Colonel Ketchup thinks your picture is too fuzzy to tell anything else other that Phot-Scam was used on the initial image. If you think the picture of the coin you took shows anything like that detail, it explains many of your perceptual issues. The Buffalo's head in your images looks smushed-down to 50'ish detail.
All you got is to quote Colonel Ketchup and a wasted buffalo nickel😂
Thank you for your incredible input, looks like you’re wrong, what a surprise. Now that I see the coin I think maybe you should send it in to PCGS and get the real story. Not a proof or even close to a proof.
So much for wiping your feet on me.
Have a happy day, I know I will.
and still, after all this, members will roll the dice with Great Southern.
In the above quote of Coloneljessup his text goes from
One of the foremost authenticators in the industry has told you that he's never seen a a particular diagnostic on a business strike. One of the best graders in history (helped found NGC) gave you two diagnostics.
You think your opinion is worth something, but people who know coins well recognize them as ill-informed.
I'm giving you facts.
You shot your mouth off before you looked closely at the coin.
You're never going to see the coin, and you're never going to be convinced.
Good luck. You need it real bad.
and ending here.
I was not trying to defame you in any way. The sentence “Good luck You need it real bad” was colonel jessups.
I might as well add “What a stinker of a coin, oink oink oink”.
a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
This makes zero sense to me.
Yes you were trying to get under my skin just as colonel ketchup was. If not then why throw his quote at me.
All I’m doing is trying to participate in your thread as a buffalo nickel collector. I have NEVER, EVER claimed to be an expert but I have handled a lot of Buffalo nickels and I feel like I know my way around them pretty well. But, why the feet wiping? Is this what this forum is now, put a guy down for trying to participate in a tread? Really? It’s nice to be so well received.
Carry on as I feel it will continue.
This is as large as I can make the coin and I do not see a die line. Not saying there is not one there but it's beyond me to visualize it. I can see a vertical something but not a die line. Hope it is a proof.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
It’s not a proof @jestbroken . Scroll up.
@ColonelJessup
“Recto-cranial infarction”
Who are you to refer this to someone else?
Is this the kind of name calling we allow here on this forum?
If so I don’t understand why!!
Can you explain why is necessary to revert to this kind of behavior? That is so wrong on so many levels!
Kept pictures? I have the coin... it's currently in a PCGS MS64 holder. Unfortunately I was too much of a tightwad(dummy) to opt for trueviews when I submitted it. I can provide fairly decent pictures of my own if needed.
There are a lot of '13-'16 type II reverses in coinfacts images that display this line as well.
Here's one each from 1913-1916
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/43197174
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/37910955
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/25241419
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/25064794
And as an added bonus- Here's a 1917
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/37911291
I know what my opinion is and I also know that it doesn't matter, that's why I didn't express an opinion here.
Collector, occasional seller
Amazing strike. I know this seller’s reputation is somewhat dubious, but I pulled the trigger with them twice, and was quite pleased both times. Good luck.
Dave
In this case a picture can say a thousand words, none of them very good.
Gadzooks!
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What's the old adage? Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see?
Doesn’t even look like the same coin. I agree, Gadzooks!
I wonder if that color in the seller pictures is coming from a backdrop behind the camera.
Or it could be a light dome and a carefully placed color source and then doing some clarity enhancements, hue shifts, and saturation.
That is one hell of a photographer.
It's got a few spots in common to prove it is the same coin, but sheesh!
........ and image manipulator.
GSC would have been far more honest by using the images that @BUFFNIXX provided in this thread, at least they show a coin that has some issues. Their images have been tricked up more than a blowup troll doll made to look like Miss Universe.
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Disagree, this is not the same coin. I believe the line on Buffalos front leg was photoshopped in to match the real coin.
Take a closer look at the marks on the back legs and other places including details on the head.
Edit: Nevermind I was comparing to the wrong coin that @Davewesen posted.
I would've lost alot of money betting that those are the same 2 coins - would never have believed it.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Being a coin photographer myself I’m more than sure he is putting a single light at 12:00 low to cast hard shadows that gives the coins appearance of depth when it has none. Then on top of that they hit the contrast hard that enhanced the coin dramatically. I agree their photographer is good at making a pig look like a beauty queen.
That’s a good point. I wonder how big the light source is to create that softness. Must be fairly large proportionately to the coin. I haven’t tried that kind of an approach but it would be a typical soft box portrait look. I think clarity or structure enhancement over just contrast. That provides some color shift, reduces some halos, and gives a sharper look.
For what they are trying to do, they are very good at it. Even though I’ve done photography for a couple of decades I get fooled by some simple tricks now and then.
I’m pretty sure you can leave the soft box out of the deal. That would cast light over the coin completely, they don’t want that. I think I can duplicate their style of photography. I’m busy now but when I get a chance I’ll do my best to duplicate GSC’s imaging. I think I can get it pretty close.
Looking at the sellers pics compared to Tom’s pics, the rims of the two coins don’t even look the same. I’m not at all sure how they pulled that one off.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Good on you for taking a bit of a gamble.
peacockcoins
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Look at how blocky the lettering is in that area! All you gotta do is compare the “L” in Liberty from the sellers pics to Tom’s pics. Look at all of the lettering there. No cigar!
Doesn’t look like the same coin, not even close. But somehow, it is🙁
Remember when dealing with this seller-they are master manipulators of images, among the best around.
what does the edge look like? mirror like?
I love it when an ebay cleaned coin crapster gets cherrypicked! 🤣🤣
Pictures of the edge of a proof nickel. Note how the proof edge isn't beveled and is of uniform thickness around it's entirety-
It also has a BRILLIANT luster/shine to it. One very good way to determine if a proof coin. Great illustrations, Ron👍