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Have you ever photographed a coin, and then you see a problem that you did not notice before?

ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,010 ✭✭✭✭✭

Well, it looks like my photo here revealed a growing green blob on the date:

I think I submitted this coin in 2005 (it graded MS66) before I started soaking everything in acetone before submitting. This is why I now give coins a good acetone soak before submitting - the coin could have lived in a PVC flip or album in its lifetime which may sow the seeds of turning in the holder :open_mouth:

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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes and yes.

    High end photography revels all sorts of things.

    PVC is a no go for me.

  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Several times. I’ve caught PVC a couple of times, corrosion one one coin and some verdigris that I didn’t notice before. On the last one I looked at the TV and it was clearly there as well and I just didn’t notice it. Since it was an international purchase and I noticed it a month or so later I figured nothing I could do about it. Here it is, look at fraternite in particular.

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,657 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yep! It's always a bummer to see, but good to find it.

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  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,616 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Definitely ... always shocking at first.

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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,000 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It happens to me frequently. When you blow your coin up to the size of a dinner plate you start seeing things.

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,621 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, and my photos aren’t really very good.

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Other than the occasional dog hair hitching a ride on the coin, no problems yet (fingers crossed)

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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,520 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All the time! It’s amazing what you can see when you blow a dime up to the size of 20+ inches. Lol

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  • Oh, yeah. Lots.

  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes :#

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  • PedzolaPedzola Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 11, 2021 11:27AM

    This 1903-s $10 has what looks like hairlines in front of liberty's face that werent visible in sellers photos, nor in hand honestly. Light has to catch it the right way to see them.

    However I've recently come to see other high grade cac examples of this same date/mint with the same "hairlines" so I'm thinking they are actually... die polish lines?

  • ms71ms71 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yup, same lines in the same place makes them die polish lines. They're raised, instead of cut into the surface, but that's usually very difficult to ascertain.

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,494 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Usually my images and lack of talent in this modern age of photography is punishment enough.

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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,500 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Absolutely. First thing I do after I purchase a coin is to take a picture of it. Camera picks up things and it doesn’t lie.

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  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,010 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Pedzola said:
    This 1903-s $10 has what looks like hairlines in front of liberty's face that werent visible in sellers photos, nor in hand honestly. Light has to catch it the right way to see them.

    However I've recently come to see other high grade cac examples of this same date/mint with the same "hairlines" so I'm thinking they are actually... die polish lines?

    They look like hairlines to me based on the photo, but definitely need to see in-hand to confirm. There does seem to be some tolerance for hairlines on MS gold, but what that tolerance is is very challenging to figure out.

  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,253 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, but it goes both ways. Years ago this coin was consigned to me as a plain old 1796 cent. I didn't look too hard at the details, and only when I saw the photo did I realize it was a LIHERTY, which is worth a lot more.

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  • rmpsrpmsrmpsrpms Posts: 1,911 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have taken to screening all my coins using Live View and photos to decide the keepers. Folks say not to view coins at more than 5x for grading, but you can miss a whole lot of issues at 5x which then show up in a photo.

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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,830 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ALL the time, to the point that now I usually photograph new purchases prior to the final keep or return decision.

    BTW, you can also spot really neat things too like RPMs and doubling that you might have missed.

  • The_Dinosaur_ManThe_Dinosaur_Man Posts: 998 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's better to have photography reveal these attributes, the good and the bad.

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  • SmEagle1795SmEagle1795 Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just happened to me this morning on a very expensive new purchase... but the coin is the size of a nickel and the image was a foot wide so being able to see a few pin scratches is completely normal.

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  • Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Never saw the booger on his nose or the crack in his head til started coin photography

    Sorry I can’t turn the dang pictures 😂

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  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 4,736 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Have you ever photographed a coin, and then you see a problem that you did not notice before?
    My answer, is yes, with a thought. No one is perfect and that's why we have this tool (CU) with attachments (us).

  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,242 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Absolutely. Not only problems... but I've cherrypicked myself when a photo would show a variety or error that I did not notice before!!

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  • ChangeInHistoryChangeInHistory Posts: 3,069 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There's been a few times, absolutely.

    I give everything an acetone bath before submitting anything as well.

  • Wahoo554Wahoo554 Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Pedzola said:
    This 1903-s $10 has what looks like hairlines in front of liberty's face that werent visible in sellers photos, nor in hand honestly. Light has to catch it the right way to see them.

    However I've recently come to see other high grade cac examples of this same date/mint with the same "hairlines" so I'm thinking they are actually... die polish lines?

    Star 3 supports that they are die polish lines. It runs perfectly across the star without appearing on the star itself.

  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 13, 2021 7:21AM

    Yup.

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  • hchcoinhchcoin Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All the time.

    I actually have asked to take pictures with my phone at shows a few times if the dealer doesn't mind so I can really get a good look at a coins surface. I don't do it a lot but my eyes aren't what they used to be :wink: It is amazing what you find when you do this especially on the smaller denominations.

  • thebeavthebeav Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Happens to me all the time.
    It seems that especially fine scratches appear.

  • LazybonesLazybones Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All the time! I have what appears to be a nice, extremely sharp coin only to find out that when I photograph it, its features are very blurry.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,364 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Pedzola said:
    This 1903-s $10 has what looks like hairlines in front of liberty's face that werent visible in sellers photos, nor in hand honestly. Light has to catch it the right way to see them.

    However I've recently come to see other high grade cac examples of this same date/mint with the same "hairlines" so I'm thinking they are actually... die polish lines?

    The coin is graded MS-64, not MS-66. You have to put things in perspective. As others have said, different lighting produces different results. You use 10X style magnification to detect possible problems, but for coins that grade below MS-66, you have to put it in perspective. Those marks on that MS-64 graded coin mean very little.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Coin photography has certainly come a long way in the last twenty years... and the the great benefit of collectors and the hobby in general. The camera, combined with enlargement of the picture, reveals many things not observed initially, or often even under 5x magnification. Cheers, RickO

  • Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My old iPhone 7 amazes me all the time. Agree being able to enlarge is awesome 🤓

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,427 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Pedzola said:
    This 1903-s $10 has what looks like hairlines in front of liberty's face that werent visible in sellers photos, nor in hand honestly. Light has to catch it the right way to see them.

    However I've recently come to see other high grade cac examples of this same date/mint with the same "hairlines" so I'm thinking they are actually... die polish lines?

    FWIW that's a beautiful coin!

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes... and Yes! PVC and patches of corrosion are the usual suspects, but hairlines get revealed when you take multiple while adjusting the lighting...

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