2021 Type 2 missing edge reed

derryb

Is this common to all of them?

Those receiving the coin please report any that have all the reeds.

jmlanzaf

@derryb said:
Is this common to all of them?

Those receiving the coin please report any that have all the reeds.

Yes. It was an anti-counterfeiting feature.

https://www.coinworld.com/news/precious-metals/american-eagle-obverses-receive-updates-for-2021

d9lowe

Yeah, security feature

Ppp

I bought a few today and the dealer pointed out the missing reed under the date, he said it was part of the new security measures being taken.

derryb

Guess we'll be seeing it on all future proofs as well.

While CoinWorld claims the missing reed will also be a feature of the Type 2 AGE, mint images of this coin do not show a missing reed. > @JBK said:

That will sure scare away the countrtfeiters.

Can't you just file down a reed to replicate or approximate that feature?

A filled in (doubled) reed would have been harder to cooy, or alternating sections like some foreign coins have.

I would prefer a single gold reed on the ASEs as a security feature.

MsMorrisine

I'm not sure how it is more secure.

will they all be at the same o'clock?

GRANDAM

I just got 2 in the mail today from APMEX and they are missing a reed in the same place. I had not heard anything about this until I read this post.

JBK

That will sure scare away the countrtfeiters.

Can't you just file down a reed to replicate or approximate that feature?

A filled in (doubled) reed would have been harder to copy (alter), or alternating sections like some foreign coins have.

derryb

@MsMorrisine said:
I'm not sure how it is more secure.

will they all be at the same o'clock?

I have seen images of three different locations, all somewhere under the date. Guess we'll be seeing labels with "missing reed position A" etc.

derryb

Wonder how much it changes the weight? lol

jessewvu

So, if there was an "error" where a genuine coin did not have the missing reed, would it be considered counterfeit??

MetroD

@derryb said:
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While CoinWorld claims the missing reed will also be a feature of the Type 2 AGE, mint images of this coin do not show a missing reed.
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I see the missing reed on the one ounce versions.

Proof #1: https://www.usmint.gov/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/2021-american-eagle-gold-one-ounce-proof-coin-obverse-new-design.jpg
Proof #2: https://catalog.usmint.gov/american-eagle-2021-one-ounce-gold-proof-coin-21EBN.html?cgid=2021-product-schedule
Uncirculated #1: https://www.usmint.gov/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/2021-american-eagle-gold-one-ounce-uncirculated-coin-obverse-new-design.jpg
Uncirculated #2 - https://catalog.usmint.gov/american-eagle-2021-one-ounce-gold-uncirculated-coin-21EHN.html?cgid=2021-product-schedule
Bullion: https://www.usmint.gov/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/2021-american-eagle-gold-one-ounce-bullion-coin-obverse-new-design.jpg

derryb

Yet this mint image from their website shows full reeds on the Type 2:

jessewvu

It's a conspiracy!

MetroD

@derryb said:
Yet this mint image from their website shows full reeds on the Type 2:

Now I am curious.

If you do not mind me asking, where is this image located?

jmlanzaf

@JBK said:
That will sure scare away the countrtfeiters.

Can't you just file down a reed to replicate or approximate that feature?

A filled in (doubled) reed would have been harder to cooy, or alternating sections like some foreign coins have.

I don't think any of those are terribly challenging for a counterfeit. If you are casting, makes no difference. If you are minting, you just need a different collar. Big deal.

jmlanzaf

@derryb said:
Yet this mint image from their website shows full reeds on the Type 2:

drawing not a picture

Jimnight

How funny!

derryb

@jmlanzaf said:

@derryb said:
Yet this mint image from their website shows full reeds on the Type 2:

drawing not a picture

wrong, again. photo from their image library.

derryb

@MetroD said:

@derryb said:
Yet this mint image from their website shows full reeds on the Type 2:

Now I am curious.

If you do not mind me asking, where is this image located?

Mint's image library

MsMorrisine

@derryb said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@derryb said:
Yet this mint image from their website shows full reeds on the Type 2:

drawing not a picture

wrong, again. photo from their image library.

Looks like the fractionals don’t have it.

MetroD

@derryb said:
wrong, again. photo from their image library.

Thats where I got my images for "Proof #1", "Uncirculated #1", and "Bullion".

Which image did you use?

derryb

Type 2 half ounce design.

MetroD

@derryb said:
Type 2 half ounce design.

As @MsMorrisine said earlier, it appears that the missing reed is just on the one ounce AGE, not the fractionals.

blitzdude

Looks like the mints way of suckering you out of .00000000000001ozt of gutter metal. Sad part is you will probably be willing to pay more. lol

JBK

An ounce is an ounce whichever way it is struck. If they filed it off after striking then they would be light, but they are struck that way so the weight is the same.

jmlanzaf

@derryb said:

@MetroD said:

@derryb said:
Yet this mint image from their website shows full reeds on the Type 2:

Now I am curious.

If you do not mind me asking, where is this image located?

Mint's image library

@derryb said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@derryb said:
Yet this mint image from their website shows full reeds on the Type 2:

drawing not a picture

wrong, again. photo from their image library.

What an AH

"Image" doesn't mean photo. That sure looks looks an artist rendering. Yes it is an"image". It is not, I believe, a photo. If it is, it is highly processed.

What is the angle that shows the bottom reeds and the top reeds?

oih82w8

@jessewvu said:
It's a conspiracy!

It's just another way for the Gov't to take a little something away and still charge you for it.

rip_f

They purposely only included this feature on the 1 ounce coins and not the fractionals.
They will remove the reed on the 1/10th ounce coins in the designer set so they qualify as unique.

This would be a simple way to solve their mintage limit dilemma.

derryb

@jmlanzaf said:

What an AH

"Image" durant mean photo. That sure looks looks an artist rendering. Yes it is an"image". It is not, I believe, a photo. If it is, it is highly processed.

Back at ya AH. Mint image library refers to it as "high resolution." Most people can tell the difference between a drawing and a photo. A few can only claim they are able to do so.

jmlanzaf

@derryb said:

@jmlanzaf said:

What an AH

"Image" durant mean photo. That sure looks looks an artist rendering. Yes it is an"image". It is not, I believe, a photo. If it is, it is highly processed.

Back at ya AH. Mint image library refers to it as "high resolution." Most people can tell the difference between a drawing and a photo. A few can only claim they are able to do so.

The Mint almost never uses photos. High resolution is the bit count. Tell me what gold eagle has a surface that llooks like that.

You could have disagree without failing "wrong, again.. "

jmlanzaf

Find me a half dollar that looks like this "high resolution image"

https://www.usmint.gov/news/image-library/john-f-kennedy-half-dollar#2021

Since you will never relent, I contacted their image licensing division for clarification. In the meantime, I will fatten up the crow.

derryb

@jmlanzaf said:

Tell me what gold eagle has a surface that llooks like that.

The one in this mint photo, or is it also a drawing?

jmlanzaf

@derryb said:

@jmlanzaf said:

Tell me what gold eagle has a surface that llooks like that.

The one in this mint photo, or is it also a drawing?

Also an artist rendition or very heavily processed. Does that coin surface look proof to you?

MetroD

@rip_f said:
They purposely only included this feature on the 1 ounce coins and not the fractionals.
They will remove the reed on the 1/10th ounce coins in the designer set so they qualify as unique.

This would be a simple way to solve their mintage limit dilemma.

Interesting idea.

Currently, the images on the 'product page' for 21XK show both T1 and T2 coins as fully reeded.

Have you 'heard/seen' something definitive, or is this just a theory?

ricko

It seems to me that eliminating a reed is fairly simple...and not difficult to counterfeit. Perhaps I am missing something, but with the counterfeits available today, this minor modification will not stop them. Must be more to it than the obvious. Cheers, RickO

MetroD

@ricko said:
It seems to me that eliminating a reed is fairly simple...and not difficult to counterfeit. Perhaps I am missing something, but with the counterfeits available today, this minor modification will not stop them. Must be more to it than the obvious. Cheers, RickO

A Coinweek interview with D. Ryder from Q3-19.
The portion that pertains to future security features starts at 7:25.

At the time of the interview, the new security features were expected to come in three different levels. The missing reed likely 'falls' into the "overt" category.

CaptHenway

Gentlemen, please take deep breaths and count to ten backwards in Base Eight. Let us have peace.

U.S. Mint images are marketing tools and not historical records. They may or may not represent reality. I once saw an image of a gold-colored Sacagawea Dollar design with a "FIVE DOLLARS" denomination and a W mint mark, and I don't think it ever existed in reality (but I cannot be sure). Not worth starting a war over.

TD

jmlanzaf

@CaptHenway said:
Gentlemen, please take deep breaths and count to ten backwards in Base Eight. Let us have peace.

U.S. Mint images are marketing tools and not historical records. They may or may not represent reality. I once saw an image of a gold-colored Sacagawea Dollar design with a "FIVE DOLLARS" denomination and a W mint mark, and I don't think it ever existed in reality (but I cannot be sure). Not worth starting a war over.

TD

It's really not a war. For me, it wasn't even about the image. It was the somewhat insulting "wrong, again..."

I'm wrong at least once a day. Everyone should be. If you never make mistakes, you aren't reaching and "a man's reach should always exceed his grasp. " But "wrong, again..." isn't a counterargument or even proof that I was wrong once. It's dismissive and seemed unwarranted based on my very mundane observation.

I do appreciate you, however.

cagcrisp

The image on the Mint's website shows the missing reed for the 1 oz. AGE and the 1 oz. ASE...

The 1 oz. is the ONLY coin that has the missing reed.

The posted picture above is a 1/2 oz. AGE and NO fractional coins have the missing reed...

https://www.usmint.gov/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/2021-american-eagle-gold-one-ounce-proof-coin-obverse-new-design.jpg

https://www.usmint.gov/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/2021-american-eagle-silver-one-ounce-proof-coin-obverse-new-design.jpg

CaptHenway

Epitaph for my tombstone: "I THOUGHT I WAS WRONG ONCE, BUT I WAS MISTAKEN!"

rip_f

@MetroD said:

@rip_f said:
They purposely only included this feature on the 1 ounce coins and not the fractionals.
They will remove the reed on the 1/10th ounce coins in the designer set so they qualify as unique.

This would be a simple way to solve their mintage limit dilemma.

Interesting idea.

Currently, the images on the 'product page' for 21XK show both T1 and T2 coins as fully reeded.

Have you 'heard/seen' something definitive, or is this just a theory?

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I was just theorizing – just getting peoples’ imaginative juices flowing and preparing them for the inevitable.

It would be the kind of marketing strategy/gimmickry that the Mint has come to employ recently to create hype - and manufacture a rarity out of bullion blanks.

jmlanzaf

@rip_f said:

@MetroD said:

@rip_f said:
They purposely only included this feature on the 1 ounce coins and not the fractionals.
They will remove the reed on the 1/10th ounce coins in the designer set so they qualify as unique.

This would be a simple way to solve their mintage limit dilemma.

Interesting idea.

Currently, the images on the 'product page' for 21XK show both T1 and T2 coins as fully reeded.

Have you 'heard/seen' something definitive, or is this just a theory?

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I was just theorizing – just getting peoples’ imaginative juices flowing and preparing them for the inevitable.

It would be the kind of marketing strategy/gimmickry that the Mint has come to employ recently to create hype - and manufacture a rarity out of bullion blanks.

Unfortunately, the Mint just doesn't seem at all concerned that they violated their own mintage limit.

rip_f

They wouldn't be violating the mintage limit if the coins in the designer product are minted differently.
They would be a mintage and a product limit of 5000 each.

Thus getting around the mintage limit violation.

jmlanzaf

@rip_f said:
They wouldn't be violating the mintage limit if the coins in the designer product are minted differently.
They would be a mintage and a product limit of 5000 each.

Thus getting around the mintage limit violation.

My point is that they have to care to even try and find a way. And creating new tooling is a lot of effort if you really don't care.

3stars

I’ve been waiting for the two crankiest members to go at it…

jmlanzaf

@3stars said:
I’ve been waiting for the two crankiest members to go at it…

Lmfao

I'm nowhere near the top two in crankiness on this forum.

WQuarterFreddie

@3stars said:
I’ve been waiting for the two crankiest members to go at it…

Can't see their posts but some things never change!🤣😂

jmlanzaf

@WQuarterFreddie said:

@3stars said:
I’ve been waiting for the two crankiest members to go at it…

Can't see their posts but some things never change!🤣😂

Your obsession is unbecoming.

And, admit it, you looked. Or saw it when quoted.

Jzyskowski1

@jmlanzaf said:

@derryb said:

@jmlanzaf said:

What an AH

"Image" durant mean photo. That sure looks looks an artist rendering. Yes it is an"image". It is not, I believe, a photo. If it is, it is highly processed.

Back at ya AH. Mint image library refers to it as "high resolution." Most people can tell the difference between a drawing and a photo. A few can only claim they are able to do so.

The Mint almost never uses photos. High resolution is the bit count. Tell me what gold eagle has a surface that llooks like that.

You could have disagree without failing "wrong, again.. "

These 2are not the worst. Not by a long shot

coinsarefun

My two arrived today. I took side by side pics and tried to do a reeding shot.
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Glamor shot

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