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2021 Type 2 missing edge reed
derryb
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Is this common to all of them?
Those receiving the coin please report any that have all the reeds.
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Yes. It was an anti-counterfeiting feature.
https://www.coinworld.com/news/precious-metals/american-eagle-obverses-receive-updates-for-2021
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Yeah, security feature
I bought a few today and the dealer pointed out the missing reed under the date, he said it was part of the new security measures being taken.
Guess we'll be seeing it on all future proofs as well.
While CoinWorld claims the missing reed will also be a feature of the Type 2 AGE, mint images of this coin do not show a missing reed. > @JBK said:
I would prefer a single gold reed on the ASEs as a security feature.
Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. - Bastiat
I'm not sure how it is more secure.
will they all be at the same o'clock?
I just got 2 in the mail today from APMEX and they are missing a reed in the same place. I had not heard anything about this until I read this post.
That will sure scare away the countrtfeiters.
Can't you just file down a reed to replicate or approximate that feature?
A filled in (doubled) reed would have been harder to copy (alter), or alternating sections like some foreign coins have.
I have seen images of three different locations, all somewhere under the date. Guess we'll be seeing labels with "missing reed position A" etc.
Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. - Bastiat
Wonder how much it changes the weight? lol
Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. - Bastiat
So, if there was an "error" where a genuine coin did not have the missing reed, would it be considered counterfeit??
I see the missing reed on the one ounce versions.
Proof #1: https://www.usmint.gov/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/2021-american-eagle-gold-one-ounce-proof-coin-obverse-new-design.jpg
Proof #2: https://catalog.usmint.gov/american-eagle-2021-one-ounce-gold-proof-coin-21EBN.html?cgid=2021-product-schedule
Uncirculated #1: https://www.usmint.gov/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/2021-american-eagle-gold-one-ounce-uncirculated-coin-obverse-new-design.jpg
Uncirculated #2 - https://catalog.usmint.gov/american-eagle-2021-one-ounce-gold-uncirculated-coin-21EHN.html?cgid=2021-product-schedule
Bullion: https://www.usmint.gov/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/2021-american-eagle-gold-one-ounce-bullion-coin-obverse-new-design.jpg
Yet this mint image from their website shows full reeds on the Type 2:
Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. - Bastiat
It's a conspiracy!
Now I am curious.
If you do not mind me asking, where is this image located?
I don't think any of those are terribly challenging for a counterfeit. If you are casting, makes no difference. If you are minting, you just need a different collar. Big deal.
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drawing not a picture
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How funny!
wrong, again. photo from their image library.
Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. - Bastiat
Mint's image library
Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. - Bastiat
Looks like the fractionals don’t have it.
Thats where I got my images for "Proof #1", "Uncirculated #1", and "Bullion".
Which image did you use?
Type 2 half ounce design.
Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. - Bastiat
As @MsMorrisine said earlier, it appears that the missing reed is just on the one ounce AGE, not the fractionals.
Looks like the mints way of suckering you out of .00000000000001ozt of gutter metal. Sad part is you will probably be willing to pay more. lol
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An ounce is an ounce whichever way it is struck. If they filed it off after striking then they would be light, but they are struck that way so the weight is the same.
What an AH
"Image" doesn't mean photo. That sure looks looks an artist rendering. Yes it is an"image". It is not, I believe, a photo. If it is, it is highly processed.
What is the angle that shows the bottom reeds and the top reeds?
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It's just another way for the Gov't to take a little something away and still charge you for it.
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They purposely only included this feature on the 1 ounce coins and not the fractionals.
They will remove the reed on the 1/10th ounce coins in the designer set so they qualify as unique.
This would be a simple way to solve their mintage limit dilemma.
Back at ya AH. Mint image library refers to it as "high resolution." Most people can tell the difference between a drawing and a photo. A few can only claim they are able to do so.
Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. - Bastiat
The Mint almost never uses photos. High resolution is the bit count. Tell me what gold eagle has a surface that llooks like that.
You could have disagree without failing "wrong, again.. "
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Find me a half dollar that looks like this "high resolution image"
https://www.usmint.gov/news/image-library/john-f-kennedy-half-dollar#2021
Since you will never relent, I contacted their image licensing division for clarification. In the meantime, I will fatten up the crow.
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The one in this mint photo, or is it also a drawing?
Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. - Bastiat
Also an artist rendition or very heavily processed. Does that coin surface look proof to you?
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Interesting idea.
Currently, the images on the 'product page' for 21XK show both T1 and T2 coins as fully reeded.
Have you 'heard/seen' something definitive, or is this just a theory?
It seems to me that eliminating a reed is fairly simple...and not difficult to counterfeit. Perhaps I am missing something, but with the counterfeits available today, this minor modification will not stop them. Must be more to it than the obvious. Cheers, RickO
A Coinweek interview with D. Ryder from Q3-19.
The portion that pertains to future security features starts at 7:25.
At the time of the interview, the new security features were expected to come in three different levels. The missing reed likely 'falls' into the "overt" category.
Gentlemen, please take deep breaths and count to ten backwards in Base Eight. Let us have peace.
U.S. Mint images are marketing tools and not historical records. They may or may not represent reality. I once saw an image of a gold-colored Sacagawea Dollar design with a "FIVE DOLLARS" denomination and a W mint mark, and I don't think it ever existed in reality (but I cannot be sure). Not worth starting a war over.
TD
It's really not a war. For me, it wasn't even about the image. It was the somewhat insulting "wrong, again..."
I'm wrong at least once a day. Everyone should be. If you never make mistakes, you aren't reaching and "a man's reach should always exceed his grasp. " But "wrong, again..." isn't a counterargument or even proof that I was wrong once. It's dismissive and seemed unwarranted based on my very mundane observation.
I do appreciate you, however.
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The image on the Mint's website shows the missing reed for the 1 oz. AGE and the 1 oz. ASE...
The 1 oz. is the ONLY coin that has the missing reed.
The posted picture above is a 1/2 oz. AGE and NO fractional coins have the missing reed...
https://www.usmint.gov/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/2021-american-eagle-gold-one-ounce-proof-coin-obverse-new-design.jpg
https://www.usmint.gov/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/2021-american-eagle-silver-one-ounce-proof-coin-obverse-new-design.jpg
Epitaph for my tombstone: "I THOUGHT I WAS WRONG ONCE, BUT I WAS MISTAKEN!"
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I was just theorizing – just getting peoples’ imaginative juices flowing and preparing them for the inevitable.
It would be the kind of marketing strategy/gimmickry that the Mint has come to employ recently to create hype - and manufacture a rarity out of bullion blanks.
Unfortunately, the Mint just doesn't seem at all concerned that they violated their own mintage limit.
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They wouldn't be violating the mintage limit if the coins in the designer product are minted differently.
They would be a mintage and a product limit of 5000 each.
Thus getting around the mintage limit violation.
My point is that they have to care to even try and find a way. And creating new tooling is a lot of effort if you really don't care.
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I’ve been waiting for the two crankiest members to go at it…
Lmfao
I'm nowhere near the top two in crankiness on this forum.
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Can't see their posts but some things never change!🤣😂
Your obsession is unbecoming.
And, admit it, you looked. Or saw it when quoted.
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These 2are not the worst. Not by a long shot
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My two arrived today. I took side by side pics and tried to do a reeding shot.
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