Contemporary counterfeit 1921 Saint Gaudens
mountain_goat
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Opinion, please:
a. Keep for studying
b. Send to melting pot
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But, but, but it’s authenticated! I’d probably melt it, personally. Safer than the alternative especially if someone would be fooled later by the packaging.
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I would keep it as is. Very interesting.
keep it
Send it back to A-Mark and tell them to honor their guarantee.
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nice images
Isn't PhotoShop cool? Certificate signatory Jeffrey Bergelt recently retired. Lives not far from @MrEureka and myself.
If that item physically exists, phoney-baloney as the coin might be, even plaster of paris, I know an LA dealer who would be thrilled to bust Markoff's chops with it.
edited to add: Actually, when I think about it, I know three dealers......
I question whether that is a contemporary counterfeit or not.
Would the OP please explain his use of "contemporary"
I'm hoping the pot is only beginning to bubble..
I've never seen a contemporary counterfeit Saint and I doubt that this is the first. If I had to guess, I'd say it was probably made in the 1960's or so, and not by a master craftsman.
Also, sadly, Jeffrey Bergelt passed away early this year, so we can't ask him if the coin looks familiar.
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No reason to counterfeit a $20 gold out of gold in the 1920s. It either isn’t gold, is of much lower karat, or done in ‘60s - ‘70s.
Does it show any signs (probably on the edge) of having been opened, original coin replaced with that counterfeit, and then resealed?
Looks like the package has been cut and the coin replaced with a counterfeit.
Her face looks mushed
Interesting piece to study.... Likely has to be removed to ascertain metal/purity.... Likely the original coin was removed and replaced with whatever that is....Cheers, RickO
"Likely"?
"Likely"?
"LIKELY"?
Misspoke. RIP
You can shoot it through the plastic with an XRF
You can shoot it through the plastic with a .22.
Are we, as yet, certain the coin itself isn't plastic?
While the toning might satisfy many a DOG fanatic, it might just be chocolate leaking out from the center.
Melt it
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There's already a slit at the bottom of the soft plastic holder as already been shown in an earlier post in this thread. You can just remove the coin from the holder, use a Sigma machine, weigh it, measure the size, and then put the coin back.
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@PerryHall
"You can just remove the coin from the holder, use a Sigma machine, weigh it, measure the size, and then put the coin back."
Or rather than waste the time to put the coin back you could just throw it in the trash.
Good chance the gold content is very low if there is any gold.
Like the Colonel said it might be chocolate in the center.
What?!
and waste some [possibly] good chocolate.
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That thing is so horrible I wouldn't use the melted gold for jewelry.
Maybe shoot it back out into space.
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Most US gold counterfeit coins from the 1960's to present are made of real gold. Why throw away gold when you can sell it for scrap value?
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I will stick to my comment. "Good chance the gold content is very low if there is any gold."
I wouldn't give the OP $25 for the coin.
The coin itself is a DOG.
Maybe it's a Cheese DOG?
Pete
I agree looks that way.
The Sigma Analytics precious metal analyzer can do it while the coin is still in the slab.
@pmh1nic.... Thanks, I have not used one (though I have thought about buying one), so I really did not know if it could do it without being in direct contact. Good to know this. Cheers, RickO
Looks like some of the plating has being scraped away on the obverse between the rays circled in red;
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Maybe add cream and make a tasty chocolate ganache with it.
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The chocolate would probably be moldy by now
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