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ok. this is my last-ditch effort and i'll let it go.
try to connect with some prolific authors. (2-3 come to mind)
i simply REFUSE to accept there isn't a single diagnostic book on barbers (dimes) out there. i know i've seen something but i can't seem to dig it out of my brain. but your situation has been bugging me for a long time. mostly because i do recall you aren't the only one i've read about over the years to hit the barber wall.
@Byers said:
Four of my discoveries were in Coin World, (three of these front page). Took these shapshots from my website:
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congratz on your years (decades?) of handling world-class numismatic items (errors and more)!!!
i couldn't let this thread go w/o seeing a better images of a triple-struck $5. not on my watch.
in prepping the images for this post, i needed to look at a single struck example - image (page) to see what elements really jumped out. i noticed the arrow shafts, the "extra" ones anyway that i thought would be unique to your coin. turns out they are not. probably a die marriage thing since your obv/rev matches up to several diagnostics but they are not on all examples. then i noticed how far o/c the strikes are from each other.
the cert page doesn't say it but this coin is obviously o/c triple struck and not just rotated as the page/insert states and it makes a rather large difference.
Yes it is also off-center, as well as triple struck rotated!
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@keyman64 said:
It has been a few years since I have made attempts. I could certainly retrace my steps and try again. How bad do I want it? It’s a common date Barber Dime in VF. I honestly can’t get too excited over it but it is cool. The variety is crystal clear and photographs great. If it were a Mercury Dime, I’d be a lot more excited.
was looking through old emails (2013-2015) with many communications with j. wiles and a particular merc discovery of mine but that coin was lost en route back to me along with some others BUT thankfully it was on the way back so i still got some on the books. got sidetracked by some of the neat images i've taken and sent to him to help out and get confirmations, so i'll share some d/c coins and a few just really nice close-ups from long ago.
50c 42-s/s rpm-1 (more of a co-discovery) (forgot all about this one)
5c 35-s/s rpm-2 (more of a co-discovery) (forgot all about this one)
@Robot1010 said:
Got these back this month. I didn't see this thread before I posted these on the crh one
in prepping the images for this post, i needed to look at a single struck example - image (page) to see what elements really jumped out. i noticed the arrow shafts, the "extra" ones anyway that i thought would be unique to your coin. turns out they are not. probably a die marriage thing since your obv/rev matches up to several diagnostics but they are not on all examples. then i noticed how far o/c the strikes are from each other.
the cert page doesn't say it but this coin is obviously o/c triple struck and not just rotated as the page/insert states and it makes a rather large difference.
Hi Lance
Thanks for the compliment. It’s been decades.
Yes it is also off-center, as well as triple struck rotated!
the Lawrence book on Barbers is very good.
And some in Cherrypicker's
BHNC #203
Not a real good image but here it is anyway-1935-S Buffalo 5c DDR-003-
And this one, Buffalo 5c, 1923 DDO-001-
Got these back this month. I didn't see this thread before I posted these on the crh one




really enjoying the diversity here!
was looking through old emails (2013-2015) with many communications with j. wiles and a particular merc discovery of mine but that coin was lost en route back to me along with some others BUT thankfully it was on the way back so i still got some on the books. got sidetracked by some of the neat images i've taken and sent to him to help out and get confirmations, so i'll share some d/c coins and a few just really nice close-ups from long ago.
50c 42-s/s rpm-1 (more of a co-discovery) (forgot all about this one)
5c 35-s/s rpm-2 (more of a co-discovery) (forgot all about this one)
just some neat images imo from my archives
10c 41-d rpm-6 (one lost in the mail) quite shocked it was listed as many of these minor ones he kicked back
anyone with new updates?
had to look at that multi? struck $5 again. so figure i'd bump the thread while im here.
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you know considering the neck is rather low on the die, it seems it would defy the laws of physics to be able to get the rev die to clash inside there.
1804 Cent S266 showing a penultimate reverse die state. The coin was owned by me but discovered by an expert in large cents.
I'm late to this thread, but I suggest publishing the discovery in a numismatic journal. Is there a journal for Barber coins like there is for seated Liberty coins? Try, for example, Numismatic News or even Coin World if they're still publishing.
I have an EDS!

Would PCGS slab it as a 3 1/2 legged piece? Correct mintmark position, leg is weaker than normal, and the Trueviews on Coinfacts show similar ones slabbed. Might have to try...
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Cool coins!
I’ve obviously been too lazy to find anything new.
My certified 1796 "S-85" large cent struck over a later date (possibly 1843) petite head large cent:
here is a communication between myself and @messydesk circa 2013. i wonder, does he remember this coin out the tens of thousands he has handled.
I spotted this coin in a date set on the 'Bay, sent pics to Howard Spindel who couldn't find a match in his files. It is similar to FS-106 / FS-007.5, but the listed variety only shows doubling on the shield lines where this one has strong doubling on the cross, annulet, and scrolls.
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VERY nice spread! gratz.
ive always enjoyed working with howard.
I don't remember it. Did you ever get a VAM number for it? A few years later, someone embarked on a massive study of 81-O that had me attributing 1000 or so different coins. It turns out you'd probably have been better off had the coin mentioned in my letter been VAM 16, since it turns out to be both quite cool and quite scarce.
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it is the discovery 1J. i think it is a cousin to the 16. must've been some shortcoming in the process they used for some of dies since it is the same effect but different mm positions. i wonder if the master-level study of the 81-o revealed more like the 1j/16 BUT must lesser?
the 1k 81-o coins HAD to be the guy with the website? i bet you were the right person for the job!
How would this even be possible? Are you sure this is not simply double struck?
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not trying to answer for him but here is the thread about that coin.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1071103/planchets-for-some-of-the-deceptive-struck-early-copper-counterfeits-1796-s-85
Thanks! That is one interesting thread
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I purchased this 1803 JR-3 dime on eBay around 2005? I then posted it in the JR News to ask if anyone had seen this late of a die state. Someone from Coin World picked up on this, sent the pic to a CONECA expert, who stated the "vertical displacement" was enough to call this a retained cud, despite the wear of the coin. The next week an article appeared in Coin World (can't remember the exact date, still have the issue somewhere but it is buried in my rubble - err I mean my files). Probably still an R-8 rarity at this terminal state:
That’s pretty awesome. 👍
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she's a beaut!
One of the coolest threads I have read in a long time. Unfortunately, I have nothing to contribute... but this is amazing work and I tip my hat to each of you. Well done.
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.