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Are we back to 'normal'?
Desert Moon
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In the numismatic world, vibrant show reports, are a strong representation of what I think is normal. 'specially from certain well known dealers. What say you? Are we back to normal?
Here is the CRO Road Report for the past few days at the NH C&C Expo and it certainly qualifies as vibrant and can't wait to see the next EB:
https://www.coinraritiesonline.com/road-report/
If the positives rate keeps diminishing, I might make it to a 'normal' ANA in Rosemont. Herez crossing my fingers.............
Best, SH
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I'm at my new normal!!! Thank You Covid. I know that sounds bad but just was a wake up call to me. I R Happy!
If not then very close to it.
We run the risk of going backward quickly with the levels of unvaccinate people still high and the Delta strain accelerating. I hope it doesn’t impact the ANA show.
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That could be a game changer all right.
I am!
I wonder if prices will come down to hit the new normal.
It will be interesting to see when budgets for vacations are common again.
Things have opened up quickly where I am. My 4 year old daughter ended up catching Covid about a week and a half ago, probably at church, and then my 7 year old daughter caught it from her. My 4 year old is pretty much over it, my 7 year old is still battling it, but hopefully will be over it in the next few days. My wife is vaccinated, I'm not. I still can't decide if I caught it or am just experiencing "sympathy" symptoms. It is definitely going to start working it's way through the unvaccinated as things open up more. I'm just glad my loved ones who were older and higher risk had a chance to get vaccinated before things started opening up.
I agree with this. Although vaccinated, I still wear my mask when in public, and social distance. I think it was premature to just drop all safeguards, and act like the problem is gone.
I think vacation budgets are already opening up, at least for domestic travel. You can't rent a car anywhere anyone would want to go for less than $200.00 a day and hotels that were around $100.00 a night are $200.00 to $300.00 a night also.
it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide
Or renting a cabin in central Oregon went from $180 per nite in 2019 to $360 per nite next month. But it is central Oregon, what else can we do? And the 10-day car rental from pdx? Don't even think about what that is costing.............
Normal? At the moment this is the norm.
My family is back to normal for the most part. We all had it in December and then were fully vax'd in early May. I am still a bit cautious and carry hand sanitizer around with me. I've been to a few coin shows, have a big show July 1 and then Summer FUN on July 8...so yeah, close to normal. Fingers crossed for the rest of the world.
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Define "normal". What 's business as usual for someone, might be a calamity for someone else. As we emerge from quarantine, "back to normal" is likely going to be regional as well.
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Coin biz (shows & online) back to usual for me. However we are not really out of the woods yet.
With 604k covid USA deaths and still rising this will likely pass the 700k USA killed by HIV. I don’t believe in describing either situation as normal. Many people still out of work and may never recover income covid took away. Many in a survival mode.
The current market seems driven up by promotion and speculation to me and I would not be surprised see it crash soon aka 1989. Time to sell it all?
This thread will undoubtedly turn political and go poof like ALL the others before it.
"Normal" is INCREDIBLY regionally dependent. Where I live in rural Idaho, things have been pretty normal for 4 months or so and even before that, apart from travel, life wasn't really all that unusual. Having spent some time recently in Maui and Portland, Oregon, I can tell you things are definitely NOT normal there.
Per the CDC, in May 1,200 of 853,000 hospitalizations were in fully vaccinated people. That's 0.14%
150 of 18,000 May COVID deaths happened in fully vaccinated people. That's 0.83%, or about 5 per day in a nation of 330 million people. For comparison, 98 people in the USA die per day in auto accidents and about 1,800 per day from heart disease.
The problem, the perception of the problem, the response to the problem, the politics of the problem, and the future trajectory of the problem is highly variable. It remains a devastating disease and is still killing thousands of people, especially in countries with poor access to effective vaccines. Almost everyone has been affected and some in really heartbreaking, personal ways. It has affected every sector of the global economy and has completely devastated certain regions and certain industries.
So, coin shows and other large gatherings are starting to happen again, but we're still at the beginning of the end, I think.
All seems normal here... except doctors offices are still requiring masks. Most places just ask the unvaccinated to wear a mask.... but no one checks. I will wear one if I must go into an establishment that requires it, but would avoid said establishment if possible. Gatherings like Farmers Market, sports events, graduation - all held and participation was heavy. For the entire county, there are only 18 cases. No deaths in a couple of months. Cheers, RickO
Most everyone at the store yesterday were not wearing a mask, I still do if for no other reason I don’t want to breathe their spit ( with the exception of a couple really hot chicks, I would breathe their spit) in 1918 they thought it was over and in the fall it came back with a vengeance. It’s a damn mask what’s the big deal. I will change my attitude if the virus doesn’t change over the fall. We have a vaccine I have had mine hopefully that will do it. If I go to the ANA look for the old guy with a mask I’ll probably be the only one but old man spit and farts directly into my mouth does not turn me on.
And now the thread is headed into a death spiral.
Normal will have many different definitions and perceptions depending on each individuals paranoia or bravado and I very much doubt that any consensus will be reached here.
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Several sectors of the economy and employment will never go back to pre-pandemic.
My perception of numismatics is that we have acquired more interest and activity top to bottom. I think the Mint is helping with some new tribute products and all the ASE products are still tremendously popular and actively collected.
Things are trending positive IMO.
If it does get political then it deserves to go "poof."
Just to give a local update... Denver is approaching 70% vaccinated! Me included
Most places no masks and basically no complaints either.
I played a poker tournament over the weekend in Black Hawk, poker table seating is slightly reduced for extra distancing, sanitizer available everywhere and masks are on the honor system requesting that the unvaccinated stay masked. I enjoyed it and finished in the money!!!
Still makes incredibly good sense to be masked in medical/health facilities of all types and small crowded establishments.
Great attitudes here in Denver regarding both the masked and unmasked folks. There is a lot of respect for everyone is my overall experience here, both indoors and out. No one looking at people strangely if they both want to mask and remain distanced...it's nice.
Colorado has it's Covid hotspots, but Denver isn't one of them! Also, like so many other states at the moment...nearly everyone who's hospitalized with Covid in Colorado right now is unvaccinated. Colorado had zero deaths reported from Covid on June 20th but we're still unfortunately experiencing an average of about a handful a day. But the numbers continue to drop!
We have a little under 500 folks hospitalized with Covid currently in Colorado and it's estimated that perhaps only about 5 of them are vaccinated, yes 5! That's straight up astounding and really speaks to our level of vaccinations!!!
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You know the vaccine is only temporary, it is only good for about 6 months. After 6 months you need a booster dose. This thing will come roaring back in the late fall as most won't get the booster shot and the virus will mutate so the current vaccine is no longer highly effective.
If this and what is going to be, is the "New Normal" life is going to SUCK.
Ohio - 11.7 Million population - today 300 supposed for the entire weekend - who do you believe???
Not according to current research...it looks like it's going to be years if not lifelong. Likely booster shots not even necessary, except for the J&J so far... Of course our testing can only go back to early 2020 for the naturally infected and then only towards the end of 2020 for those that were vaccinated in the initial trials.
But it's likely to be way longer than 6 months for everyone who's vaccinated and they are all proving to basically eliminate deaths even from the variants.
There are multiple studies showing this already...
"Immunity" is likely to persist for years https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/26/health/coronavirus-immunity-vaccines.html
'Immunity' after being infected naturally (assuming you fully recover and are not a longhauler like I am) seems to be lasting from 6 months to a year or longer, but even better when vaccinated after the infection runs it's course.
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"If it's a penny for your thoughts and you put in your two cents worth, then someone...somewhere...is making a penny." - Steven Wright
Well, since 1796 and Edward Jenner, vaccines have had a pretty good track record. Not perfect, but MANY of us here on the boards would have never been born without them.
Before the lock, just that it's getting there, but will never be the same, as with after 911, etc.
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Well, after the show I just went to. Tinley Park, IL. The three days I attended sure seem pretty normal to me. I felt naked not having to wear a mask at a well congested event. It felt fantastic! Hopefully, the new norm?
Yeah, can't wait for the Rosemont Show in August.
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--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.Time to chime in before this thread gets locked - Had the Virus in November, had my shots in January and February (Pfizer), and really looking forward to flying up to the ANA in August. Aside from medical facilities, things are pretty much back to normal here in South Carolina. Looks like I'll have to wear a mask on the plane in August but that's about it, these days.
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But that was before the internet gave a platform for every person to have an equally voiced opinion, never mind how uninformed it might be.
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Florida DOH update:
57% of residents 12 and older have received at least one dose of vaccine
11,873 new cases last week
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This what I'm seeing.
I love it.
Work. I'm in retail. Prices are going up at rates I have never seen in 40 years and no signs it will slow down.
Housing. The price of renting or buying a home are up over 30%
Eating out. Service is really slow. Finding workers is almost impossible. Help Wanted signs are everywhere.
Court house. Mask required and workers following everyone and cleaning everything you touch.
Doctors office. N change.
Home. It's never been normal.
In my local area the vaccination rate has been high enough that there is no mandatory mask requirement except in healthcare situations. Businesses are still allowed to require a mask if desired. The local coin show went from about 80-90% masked in early May to 5% masked in early June when the requirements were lifted. For the most part things seem very similar to the pre-covid days.