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Finally filled another box of 20 - Civil War Tokens this time.

LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,294 ✭✭✭✭✭
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20 plus years ago I was hot and heavy into IHC's, FE cents and small cent patterns. I hit a wall and had a really hard time upgrading what I had. So, to scratch my collecting itch, I started collecting CWT's struck over IHC's and FE cents. :D

My goal was a date run from 1856-1864. In the 1860's, no one was about to waste a 1856 FE cent as a planchet for a CWT. So, I had to wait until a nice example of another "under-coin" became available.

It happened this week with the Partrick sale - a very nice token with the features of the 1856 dime showing through nicely.

I've expanded the collection to include other dates, in case you're wondering how a box of 20 got filled. With the FE cents, my box has the 1857 and both the 1858 SL and LL.

I was surprised how strong the prices were for the tokens struck on US Coins in this sale - didn't see any nice ones slip through the cracks.

"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.

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    Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice.👍🏼



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    truebloodtrueblood Posts: 609 ✭✭✭✭

    Cool stuff

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    DCWDCW Posts: 6,977 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Lakesammman said:
    I was surprised how strong the prices were for the tokens struck on US Coins in this sale - didn't see any nice ones slip through the cracks.

    Very nice example!

    I didnt see many deals to be had in that auction, either. Certainly not on any overstrikes, as they blew past my bids. Like this nice one struck over a dime that flirted with $5,000.
    (With tax and shipping, it probably got there.)

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    2ltdjorn2ltdjorn Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭✭

    That’s pretty cool.

    WTB... errors, New Orleans gold, and circulated 20th key date coins!
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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yep - that 1853 with arrows went strong, as did the CWT over the 1857 FE cent - $6k with the juice.

    I have a 1854 w/arrows, so the 1853 didn't get my attention.

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
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    MWallaceMWallace Posts: 3,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice stuff @Lakesammman and @DCW

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    WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 8,976 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's very cool and beyond my scope.

    Very well done!!

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Lakesammman .... Very nice, and one I have never seen before.... actually do not recall any CWT overstrikes on coins. I have led a sheltered life. ;) Cheers, RickO

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    pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 6,596 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One of the coolest things about coming here, is there always seems to be more to learn about things I know little or nothing about. Thanks for sharing @Lakesammman


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    OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 30, 2021 6:28PM

    @Lakesammman ....Your roots seem to run deep into numismatic history. Most of us had no idea that CWT's were overstikes of US coins. Perhaps Dan Carr had a prior life????

    You are keeping history alive. Thank you for that.

    OINK

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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Prices tonight were strong as well - had my eye on a piece struck over an 1825 dime - was underbidder. Neat with the Coin Dealer advertising on the reverse. Brought $4080 all in. Would have loved to add it to the collection.


    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,910 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Lakesammman said:
    Prices tonight were strong as well - had my eye on a piece struck over an 1825 dime - was underbidder. Neat with the Coin Dealer advertising on the reverse. Brought $4080 all in. Would have loved to add it to the collection.

    That's a gorgeous token. I wanted it as well but passed. I collect pieces from Henry D Gerdts but don't collect overstruck coins as they are a bit out of my price range.

    Here's Henry's signature from a piece I won a while back:

    Private Mint News | 2010 Lincoln Reverse Finalists
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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,910 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 30, 2021 9:55PM

    @Lakesammman said:
    20 plus years ago I was hot and heavy into IHC's, FE cents and small cent patterns. I hit a wall and had a really hard time upgrading what I had. So, to scratch my collecting itch, I started collecting CWT's struck over IHC's and FE cents. :D

    My goal was a date run from 1856-1864. In the 1860's, no one was about to waste a 1856 FE cent as a planchet for a CWT. So, I had to wait until a nice example of another "under-coin" became available.

    It happened this week with the Partrick sale - a very nice token with the features of the 1856 dime showing through nicely.

    Congrats on wrapping this up after a long journey! It's a great collection to focus on :)

    I've expanded the collection to include other dates, in case you're wondering how a box of 20 got filled. With the FE cents, my box has the 1857 and both the 1858 SL and LL.

    Good to know. It's good to adapt.

    I was surprised how strong the prices were for the tokens struck on US Coins in this sale - didn't see any nice ones slip through the cracks.

    I thought the Frank B. Orr token when fairly cheap. I put in a bid on it but live bidding blew through my bid.

    Private Mint News | 2010 Lincoln Reverse Finalists
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    SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 9,959 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just when I thought you’re more of a circulated Ike collector..... 😈

    Cool idea for a very special BOT. Well done. ⭐️

    I’ve admired some of Steve Hayden’s CWT’s ..... thinking about pulling the trigger on a couple of them, but they’re not the mash-ups.

    Do any of your mash-ups use that special PCGS multi-colored slab label?....you know the one I’m thinking of maybe.....

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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No - but I like the concept!

    PCGS was late to the game on CWT's - most if not all of mine are in NGC holders. There's less of a grading game with CWT's - I would never resubmit for a plus, for example.

    Some still have Tannenbaum's handwritten notes stuck to the back with provenance, etc. Wouldn't want to lose those.

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
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    DCWDCW Posts: 6,977 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OldIndianNutKase said:
    Most of us had no idea that CWT's were overstikes of US coins. Perhaps Dan Carr had a prior life????

    You are keeping history alive. Thank you for that.

    OINK

    Keep in mind that most CWTs are not overstruck on other coins. They are normally struck on blank planchets of their own, but specialty strikes were ordered from time to time on Indian Head cents, dimes, and the most infrequently used...seated Liberty quarters.
    Back when 25c meant something, it was pretty extraordinary use a 25c piece as a planchet for a token worth one 1c.

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    DCWDCW Posts: 6,977 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Lakesammman said:
    Prices tonight were strong as well - had my eye on a piece struck over an 1825 dime - was underbidder. Neat with the Coin Dealer advertising on the reverse. Brought $4080 all in. Would have loved to add it to the collection.


    I wanted this one, too!
    (But somebody wanted it more- ALOT MORE.)

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