I Don't Understand???
Gurney266
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Please, somebody tell me how this isn't doubled die
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Gurney266
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Not a Double Die, that looks like pretty classic Machine Doubling. Shelf like doubling and no separation
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What you have is classic machine doubling.
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You have been given the resources to learn about doubled dies many times but you obviously have not utilized them.
You are still posting coins without even revealing the date and mintmark, which are key for you or anyone trying to help you in comparing to known examples.
You have been told many times that machine doubling is flat and shelf-like. Do you understand what that means? If not then just ask for clarification.
In any case, your doubling certainly looks "flat and shelf-like" to me.
Here's the thing. When a die is doubled it happens when the die is made. An orientation shift occurs...a subsequent impression of the die is a little off/rotated. The 1955 doubled die (obverse) Lincoln is a great example.
All coins struck by such a die have the doubling transferred to every coin minted. These are doubled die coins. And maybe highly valued.
Sometimes an ordinary die strikes a planchet with a little movement. Maybe there's some slop in the press...a loose die. This can result in the appearance of doubling but it doesn't come from a doubled die. Not every coin struck by that die will show doubling.
Such coins are called shelf-doubling or machine or mechanical doubling due to their appearance. Because it results from a striking anomaly and not from the die itself it is a curiosity and maybe fun to own but not as valuable as a doubled die.
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I see where it can be confusing.
My advice is to buy a few slabbed coins of attributed DDO/DDR varieties.
Why?
You are wasting time and money looking for varieties that do not exist.
Also, known varieties will have known Pick Up Points (PUPS) that can identify the coin without ever looking for the DDO or DDR.
This way you can avoid the why...
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Clearly machine doubling... the posts above are very informative and if read/studied carefully, should allow you to identify true doubled dies in the future. Good luck, Cheers, RickO
@Gurney266 - Save the image posted by @coinbuf , print it, and tack it to the wall above your computer. Refer to it every time you think you have a true double-die. Maybe print out this entire thread, along with all the others you've posted, READ the responses given you by the experts, and commit them to memory. Or read them all before asking about another not-double-die coin.
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We've all been there @Gurney266. It just takes time. You're looking in the right spots though!
You're already way ahead of the game. Many call it a double die. You're right, a real double die is called "Doubled Die".
I will echo what all the others are saying-that's classic machine doubling, NOT a doubled die.
@coinbuf said it all.
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Thanks everyone for the information, I finally understand the difference.
@Gurney266 - Trust us, when you see a real one for the first time in hand...........it will jump off the coin a smack you!