@Chicago1976 said:
A Mantle I picked up last month...
How are the borders so white and the colors so vivid?
It's crazy!
If I saw this raw, I would have just thought it was a reprint.
I thought the same! I purchased it raw at a coin/card shop in Ohio, then sent to SGC. The owner had just purchased a really sharp '59 set and my timing was good.
This thought just occurred to me...how would baseball and baseball card history had turned out if Mickey did not make the majors? As you can see here, Mickey was on the verge of quitting in 1951:
Suppose his father (who obviously did NOT want his son to end up working in the dangerous zinc and lead mines) had not been there to tough love his son out of quitting? Indeed his father did pass away the very next year. Mickey holds(?) the record for World Series home runs with 18 so the Yankees no doubt would not have won nearly as many of their 50s/60s championships without him. And how different would the baseball card hobby be with NO 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle or any of the other Mickey Mantle cards?
With the unfortunate passing of Brooks Robinson a couple months ago, I thought I'd add these to the thread...Mantle was the first autograph I ever paid for back in 1984 (I think it $10) & I added Brooks at a car dealership appearance a couple years later.....
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@Ironmanfan said:
With the unfortunate passing of Brooks Robinson a couple months ago, I thought I'd add these to the thread...Mantle was the first autograph I ever paid for back in 1984 (I think it $10) & I added Brooks at a car dealership appearance a couple years later.....
@Estil said:
This thought just occurred to me...how would baseball and baseball card history had turned out if Mickey did not make the majors? As you can see here, Mickey was on the verge of quitting in 1951:
Suppose his father (who obviously did NOT want his son to end up working in the dangerous zinc and lead mines) had not been there to tough love his son out of quitting? Indeed his father did pass away the very next year. Mickey holds(?) the record for World Series home runs with 18 so the Yankees no doubt would not have won nearly as many of their 50s/60s championships without him. And how different would the baseball card hobby be with NO 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle or any of the other Mickey Mantle cards?
I’ll do you one better?
While still in high school, Mickey Mantle was a two sport star in both football and baseball. One day during football practice he suffered an ankle injury that would result in an arthritic condition that stayed with him forever…but it could have been much, much worse. After the initial injury, Mickey spiked a bad fever, the ankle developed terrible swelling and an infection and upon arriving at the hospital the recommended course of action was to remove the leg. Mutt Mantle, Mickey’s father, shut that down very quickly as he just knew his boy was a premium athlete and he was determined to use that athleticism to divert his child out of a future - or really, no future - in the mines of Oklahoma. After some back and forth with the local doctors, he was told that perhaps he should head up to the ‘big hospital’ in Oklahoma City because they had recently obtained a new miracle drug that was the talk of the medical world. Placed on a regimen of this drug, the infection subsided and a football career ended.
But thanks to the new wonder drug known as penicillin, we ultimately get the incredible accomplishments of the baseball legend we know as Mickey Mantle.
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@Estil said:
This thought just occurred to me...how would baseball and baseball card history had turned out if Mickey did not make the majors? As you can see here, Mickey was on the verge of quitting in 1951:
Suppose his father (who obviously did NOT want his son to end up working in the dangerous zinc and lead mines) had not been there to tough love his son out of quitting? Indeed his father did pass away the very next year. Mickey holds(?) the record for World Series home runs with 18 so the Yankees no doubt would not have won nearly as many of their 50s/60s championships without him. And how different would the baseball card hobby be with NO 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle or any of the other Mickey Mantle cards?
Just think about all the Bars that would have went out of business in the greater NY area had the Mick never come to town 🍻
How much did it sale for is one of the funniest and most ignorant things I've ever heard.
So Wheaties,you just had to go and say something about my Lemieux RC and make me feel guilty didn't you 😆
This is a hand painted oil over silkscreen on canvas that measures 30x48. It's been in my possession for awhile now and if I remember the story correctly it was made for Mickey for his restaurant by former Andy Warhol assistant,Steve Kaufman. Thus the wording "Mantle's". I've tried over the years to find more info on it but no luck. Both original owner and Mr.Kaufman or SAK as Andy use to call him have both passed away.
How much did it sale for is one of the funniest and most ignorant things I've ever heard.
@gorilla glue 4 said:
So Wheaties,you just had to go and say something about my Lemieux RC and make me feel guilty didn't you 😆
This is a hand painted oil over silkscreen on canvas that measures 30x48. It's been in my possession for awhile now and if I remember the story correctly it was made for Mickey for his restaurant by former Andy Warhol assistant,Steve Kaufman. Thus the wording "Mantle's". I've tried over the years to find more info on it but no luck. Both original owner and Mr.Kaufman or SAK as Andy use to call him have both passed away.
That’s a beautiful f’n piece.
Sorry for being nice; truth is, I’m kind of like Scrooge after the three ghosts, man. I wasted too much of my life being a nasty person. I’m not doing it anymore; life’s too short…
😉
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@1951WheatiesPremium Hopefully, I am not hijacking this thread, but I am curious with regard to you getting your tri-folds graded. What was the process? My assumption is it must not be like a card that has to be listed in a set. I have the Phillies 73 and 74 tri-folds (individual photos on one side with the roster and schedule on the other) and was thinking about grading them like you did with your 60s Yankees tri-folds, at least for the 73. I have a 75 Yankees tri-fold, which also had individuals on one side rather than a team photo.
As a child, a friend had introduced me to writing to MLB teams. Typically, they would send back stuff like the tri-folds, pocket schedules, logo stickers, souvenir listings and, occasionally, photos.
Very rarely, the photos were autographed or auto-penned. The Pirates, in particular, still confuse me. The ink seems consistent from player to player, which makes you think they are auto-penned. I have looked up examples on Ebay and the signatures appear to be slightly different and not in the same spot, which has me thinking they may be authentic.
@georgebailey2 said: @1951WheatiesPremium Hopefully, I am not hijacking this thread, but I am curious with regard to you getting your tri-folds graded. What was the process? My assumption is it must not be like a card that has to be listed in a set. I have the Phillies 73 and 74 tri-folds (individual photos on one side with the roster and schedule on the other) and was thinking about grading them like you did with your 60s Yankees tri-folds, at least for the 73. I have a 75 Yankees tri-fold, which also had individuals on one side rather than a team photo.
As a child, a friend had introduced me to writing to MLB teams. Typically, they would send back stuff like the tri-folds, pocket schedules, logo stickers, souvenir listings and, occasionally, photos.
Very rarely, the photos were autographed or auto-penned. The Pirates, in particular, still confuse me. The ink seems consistent from player to player, which makes you think they are auto-penned. I have looked up examples on Ebay and the signatures appear to be slightly different and not in the same spot, which has me thinking they may be authentic.
A fellow board member, @bswhiten , did all the leg work with these, check-listing them all and submitted the research to PSA. Yeoman’s work.
He’s one of the nicest and most knowledgeable guys around and still posts here occasionally.
Curious about the rare, mysterious and beautiful 1951 Wheaties Premium Photos?
@georgebailey2 said: @1951WheatiesPremium Hopefully, I am not hijacking this thread, but I am curious with regard to you getting your tri-folds graded. What was the process? My assumption is it must not be like a card that has to be listed in a set. I have the Phillies 73 and 74 tri-folds (individual photos on one side with the roster and schedule on the other) and was thinking about grading them like you did with your 60s Yankees tri-folds, at least for the 73. I have a 75 Yankees tri-fold, which also had individuals on one side rather than a team photo.
A fellow board member, @bswhiten , did all the leg work with these, check-listing them all and submitted the research to PSA. Yeoman’s work.
He’s one of the nicest and most knowledgeable guys around and still posts here occasionally.
Thank you. I may reach out to him.
As far as I can tell, these were issued from 1972 to 1982. It appears that they gave players postcard sized individual versions with facsimile autographs to be used for requests made to the players. I never got an individual photo from the team.
Here's a downloaded image of the front of the 1974. Mine is in significantly better shape.
@1951WheatiesPremium is too kind! I am not sure about your items George as I pc Mick. The way I have gotten most of my first graded examples graded is to do all of the research for PSA. If they are in SCD - the big book or magazines, you have a better chance at getting the item added. Good luck to you!
Here is the newest item that PSA just started graded that I sent in.... Wax museum postcard
There are actually two different versions noted by the number on the back 809-C and 99704-B.
Anyone have a good idea of when Mick transitioned from his early simple cursive signature/autograph, to the clearly iconic stylized design with the art deco ‘M’, and if there is a story behind it?
@Doogster said:
Anyone have a good idea of when Mick transitioned from his early simple cursive signature/autograph, to the clearly iconic stylized design with the art deco ‘M’, and if there is a story behind it?
He’s actually got about 6-7 different signature styles that would be considered legitimate variations.
I don’t know that an explanation was every given, only to say that it got more ornate as he aged.
Curious about the rare, mysterious and beautiful 1951 Wheaties Premium Photos?
For a more specific answer, here’s some fun information.
Both Topps and Rawlings used the actual athlete’s signature (in most cases) whenever a facsimile signature is on their items. Because athletes often signed multi year endorsement deals, they would often have to sign again when a new deal was reached.
You can chronicle changes pretty easily that way.
So, to answer your original question, his signature goes from simple to iconic right around 1966. It still gets more ‘detail’ after that, too.
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You’d probably like this too, I know you like some of the non mainstream Topps stuff, like me.
1968 Topps Posters #18 Mickey Mantle
1968 Topps Posters Triumvirate
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I thought the same! I purchased it raw at a coin/card shop in Ohio, then sent to SGC. The owner had just purchased a really sharp '59 set and my timing was good.
Digging out some raw stuff to try to get ready for the next Jumbo Special…
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Figured clear scans of these were worth slipping into this thread…
1960 New York Yankees Trifold - Yankees Team
1966 New York Yankees Trifold - #8 Mickey Mantle
1967 New York Yankees Trifold #8 Yankees Team
1967 New York Yankees Trifold #5 Mickey Mantle
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This thought just occurred to me...how would baseball and baseball card history had turned out if Mickey did not make the majors? As you can see here, Mickey was on the verge of quitting in 1951:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Mantle#Major_leagues_(1951–1968)
Suppose his father (who obviously did NOT want his son to end up working in the dangerous zinc and lead mines) had not been there to tough love his son out of quitting? Indeed his father did pass away the very next year. Mickey holds(?) the record for World Series home runs with 18 so the Yankees no doubt would not have won nearly as many of their 50s/60s championships without him. And how different would the baseball card hobby be with NO 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle or any of the other Mickey Mantle cards?
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With the unfortunate passing of Brooks Robinson a couple months ago, I thought I'd add these to the thread...Mantle was the first autograph I ever paid for back in 1984 (I think it $10) & I added Brooks at a car dealership appearance a couple years later.....
IMF
Man… That is so cool.
I’ll do you one better?
While still in high school, Mickey Mantle was a two sport star in both football and baseball. One day during football practice he suffered an ankle injury that would result in an arthritic condition that stayed with him forever…but it could have been much, much worse. After the initial injury, Mickey spiked a bad fever, the ankle developed terrible swelling and an infection and upon arriving at the hospital the recommended course of action was to remove the leg. Mutt Mantle, Mickey’s father, shut that down very quickly as he just knew his boy was a premium athlete and he was determined to use that athleticism to divert his child out of a future - or really, no future - in the mines of Oklahoma. After some back and forth with the local doctors, he was told that perhaps he should head up to the ‘big hospital’ in Oklahoma City because they had recently obtained a new miracle drug that was the talk of the medical world. Placed on a regimen of this drug, the infection subsided and a football career ended.
But thanks to the new wonder drug known as penicillin, we ultimately get the incredible accomplishments of the baseball legend we know as Mickey Mantle.
Curious about the rare, mysterious and beautiful 1951 Wheaties Premium Photos?
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/987963/1951-wheaties-premium-photos-set-registry#latest
Just think about all the Bars that would have went out of business in the greater NY area had the Mick never come to town 🍻
How much did it sale for is one of the funniest and most ignorant things I've ever heard.
So Wheaties,you just had to go and say something about my Lemieux RC and make me feel guilty didn't you 😆
This is a hand painted oil over silkscreen on canvas that measures 30x48. It's been in my possession for awhile now and if I remember the story correctly it was made for Mickey for his restaurant by former Andy Warhol assistant,Steve Kaufman. Thus the wording "Mantle's". I've tried over the years to find more info on it but no luck. Both original owner and Mr.Kaufman or SAK as Andy use to call him have both passed away.
How much did it sale for is one of the funniest and most ignorant things I've ever heard.
That’s a beautiful f’n piece.
Sorry for being nice; truth is, I’m kind of like Scrooge after the three ghosts, man. I wasted too much of my life being a nasty person. I’m not doing it anymore; life’s too short…
😉
Curious about the rare, mysterious and beautiful 1951 Wheaties Premium Photos?
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Have seen the 4.5 in person and words cannot describe it - looks like a 6.5/7 with incredible centering and eye appeal.
@1951WheatiesPremium Hopefully, I am not hijacking this thread, but I am curious with regard to you getting your tri-folds graded. What was the process? My assumption is it must not be like a card that has to be listed in a set. I have the Phillies 73 and 74 tri-folds (individual photos on one side with the roster and schedule on the other) and was thinking about grading them like you did with your 60s Yankees tri-folds, at least for the 73. I have a 75 Yankees tri-fold, which also had individuals on one side rather than a team photo.
As a child, a friend had introduced me to writing to MLB teams. Typically, they would send back stuff like the tri-folds, pocket schedules, logo stickers, souvenir listings and, occasionally, photos.
Very rarely, the photos were autographed or auto-penned. The Pirates, in particular, still confuse me. The ink seems consistent from player to player, which makes you think they are auto-penned. I have looked up examples on Ebay and the signatures appear to be slightly different and not in the same spot, which has me thinking they may be authentic.
A fellow board member, @bswhiten , did all the leg work with these, check-listing them all and submitted the research to PSA. Yeoman’s work.
He’s one of the nicest and most knowledgeable guys around and still posts here occasionally.
Curious about the rare, mysterious and beautiful 1951 Wheaties Premium Photos?
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1968 Bazooka Complete Box - Mickey Mantle
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Thank you. I may reach out to him.
As far as I can tell, these were issued from 1972 to 1982. It appears that they gave players postcard sized individual versions with facsimile autographs to be used for requests made to the players. I never got an individual photo from the team.
Here's a downloaded image of the front of the 1974. Mine is in significantly better shape.
@1951WheatiesPremium is too kind! I am not sure about your items George as I pc Mick. The way I have gotten most of my first graded examples graded is to do all of the research for PSA. If they are in SCD - the big book or magazines, you have a better chance at getting the item added. Good luck to you!
Here is the newest item that PSA just started graded that I sent in.... Wax museum postcard
There are actually two different versions noted by the number on the back 809-C and 99704-B.
Here’s a couple of new additions since I last posted…
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That wax museum card is pretty cool. I was curious if the figure still exists but it looks like that museum burned down a long time ago.
How much did it sale for is one of the funniest and most ignorant things I've ever heard.
Anyone have a good idea of when Mick transitioned from his early simple cursive signature/autograph, to the clearly iconic stylized design with the art deco ‘M’, and if there is a story behind it?
He’s actually got about 6-7 different signature styles that would be considered legitimate variations.
I don’t know that an explanation was every given, only to say that it got more ornate as he aged.
Curious about the rare, mysterious and beautiful 1951 Wheaties Premium Photos?
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/987963/1951-wheaties-premium-photos-set-registry#latest
@Doogster
For a more specific answer, here’s some fun information.
Both Topps and Rawlings used the actual athlete’s signature (in most cases) whenever a facsimile signature is on their items. Because athletes often signed multi year endorsement deals, they would often have to sign again when a new deal was reached.
You can chronicle changes pretty easily that way.
So, to answer your original question, his signature goes from simple to iconic right around 1966. It still gets more ‘detail’ after that, too.
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Perhaps earlier than 1966.
Looks like he began experimenting in that 1958 hotel postcard. The 1961 Phillies Cigar and the 1963 tri-fold from above show the iconic signature.