My Daniel Carr 1964-D Peace Dollars Have Been Graded by PCGS!

philographer

Set out on a little project to have my “1964-D” Fantasy Over-Struck Peace Dollars graded by PCGS. Happy to report that they’ve been graded…and TrueView images are coming shortly.

https://www.pcgs.com/shared-orders/order-details/22238223

Up until this point, no 1964-D Peace fantasy over strikes had been graded by PCGS, though I’m aware that a few people attempted submissions only to have the tokens returned.

The PCGS website for Tokens and Medals says that items listed in the United States section of “Unusual World Coins, 6th Edition” by Krause Publications are eligible for submission. Once I was able to secure a copy, I emailed PCGS to confirm the coins would be accepted. Later, when I submitted my coins, I attached a photocopy from the book, printed email from PCGS, and a cover letter with some additional information.

I filled out the submission form as logically as possible, but it was all manual as there was yet no PCGS number for these tokens!

To be clear, the three 1964-D tokens I submitted were either Die Pair 5 or 6, minted in late 2010 and early 2011, respectively. These are the issues covered in the book (published in 2011). My assumption is that later issues (e.g. Die Pair 9 from 2020) should not be eligible for grading at this time.

While I was at it, I picked up a “Concept Dollar” and included it in the submission. It’s also listed in Krause, so I assumed it would be eligible. It too was graded.

[The backstory on these from smalldollars.com is: “…Apollo Astronaut prototype designed by Daniel Carr…struck in the Fall of 2005. It was considered by the US Mint and Congress as a possible design. At the time this coin was designed in 1998, nobody knew when the US Mint's small "golden" dollars would be issued, so the design was given a "2001" date, in honor of the movie "2001 A Space Odyssey". The 13 stars in the background symbolize the future colonization of space. The large "D" represents a "Denver" mint mark. A small "DC" (designer's initials) are visible to the left of the bottom of the flag pole. The reverse design became one of seven US Mint finalists for the reverse of the Sacagawea dollar coin. It features an Eagle soaring across the sun with 50 rays (symbolizing the 50 US states). To comply with US regulations, the reverse of the coin is marked "One Roller" rather than "One Dollar".”]

From Krause:

And:

Order was "Economy special issue, gold shield" -- received April 14, grades posted today -- May 12.

Anyway, am pleased that these will be in a nice holder for safekeeping, plus nice photos coming to boot. 😊

MsMorrisine

Lock potential

We need Krause to find a lot more unusual.

DrBuster

Lock potential? I thought they made an announcement post about this a bit ago?

Cool that you got the first ones, nice!

jwitten

Wow! This is big news. Will they start grading all DC pieces now?

philographer

@jwitten said:
Wow! This is big news. Will they start grading all DC pieces now?

Currently the only Carr items eligible for submission are those listed in the United States section of “Unusual World Coins, 6th Edition” by Krause Publications (2011).

In an earlier thread, a 2007 Amero was graded by PCGS. While this token is in the book, it is not listed in the United States section…

coinsarefun

I sent mine in along with the copy of the Kraus and they sent it back ineligible
last year. It’s been out for a couple years. Congratulations!

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD

Hell Yeah PCGS!!!! The streets are hopping with hydraulic-controlled lowriders and handheld fireworks!!!!

AlexinPA

Congratulations on your Submission.

U1chicago

Needs a Breaking News alert in the title

Congrats!

Crypto

I don’t approve but they no longer allow drunks on the PCGS board so I wasn’t consulted

philographer

FWIW, the third coin, now graded MS68 by PCGS, was previously an ANACS MS69. Cracked out.

Jimnight

That's nice!

DCW

Baby steps. They should be grading ALL his work and simply using his website for attribution. How much money are they leaving on the table while ANACS enjoys near dcarr exclusivity.

TomB

Hopefully, for you, the coins are already encapsulated and shipped out so that PCGS might not crack them and send them back raw if they have a change of heart. I likely would have waited until they were in-hand.

Lakesammman

TomB - are you that paranoid??

dbldie55

What other DC items are listed in this publication?

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD

…I wonder how many losers called CS to complain today after clicking on this thread…the odds are juiced to the over for that line

philographer

@TomB said:
Hopefully, for you, the coins are already encapsulated and shipped out so that PCGS might not crack them and send them back raw if they have a change of heart. I likely would have waited until they were in-hand.

Ha, it’s not like I snuck them through! They say plain as day on their website that they will grade these items…and I confirmed this in writing before sending to them.

philographer

@dbldie55 said:
What other DC items are listed in this publication?

Daniel Carr Tokens Listed in the United States Section of “Unusual World Coins, 6th Edition” by Krause Publications

Daniel Carr Prototype State Quarter
X#308a Carrter Dollar, Copper-Nickel, Maine, 2003
X#308b Carrter Dollar, Yellow Brass, Maine, 2003
X#308c Carrter Dollar, Silver, Maine, 2003
X#302a Carrter Dollar, Copper-Nickel, Colorado 10th Mountain Division, 2006
X#302b Carrter Dollar, Yellow Brass, Colorado 10th Mountain Division, 2006
X#302c Carrter Dollar, Silver, Colorado 10th Mountain Division, 2006
X#303a Carrter Dollar, Copper-Nickel, Colorado Pikes Peak, 2006
X#303b Carrter Dollar, Yellow Brass, Colorado Pikes Peak, 2006
X#303c Carrter Dollar, Silver, Colorado 10th Pikes Peak, 2006
X#304a Carrter Dollar, Copper-Nickel, Colorado – Mesa Verde, 2006
X#304b Carrter Dollar, Yellow Brass, Colorado – Mesa Verde, 2006
X#304c Carrter Dollar, Silver, Colorado – Mesa Verde, 2006
X#305a Carrter Dollar, Copper-Nickel, Colorado 3D map, 2006
X#305b Carrter Dollar, Yellow Brass, Colorado 3D map, 2006
X#305c Carrter Dollar, Silver, Colorado 3D map, 2006
X#306a Carrter Dollar, Copper-Nickel, Nevada, 2006
X#306b Carrter Dollar, Yellow Brass, Nevada, 2006
X#306c Carrter Dollar, Silver, Nevada, 2006

Daniel Carr Parody State Quarter
X#310a Carrter Dollar, Copper-Nickel, New Jersey, 1999
X#310b Carrter Dollar, Yellow Brass, New Jersey, 1999
X#310c Carrter Dollar, Silver, New Jersey, 1999
X#313b Carrter Dollar, Yellow Brass, Rhode Island, 1999
X#311a Carrter Dollar, Copper-Nickel, Virginia, 2000
X#311b Carrter Dollar, Yellow Brass, Virginia, 2000
X#311c Carrter Dollar, Silver, Virginia, 2000
X#311a Carrter Dollar, Copper-Nickel, Virginia, 2000
X#311b Carrter Dollar, Yellow Brass, Virginia, 2000
X#311c Carrter Dollar, Silver, Virginia, 2000
X#312a Carrter Dollar, Copper-Nickel, New York, 2001
X#312b Carrter Dollar, Yellow Brass, New York, 2001
X#312c Carrter Dollar, Silver, New York, 2001
X#313a Carrter Dollar, Copper-Nickel, Rhode Island, 2001
X#313c Carrter Dollar, Silver, Rhode Island, 2001
X#314a Carrter Dollar, Copper-Nickel, Indiana, 2002
X#314b Carrter Dollar, Yellow Brass, Indiana, 2002
X#314c Carrter Dollar, Silver, Indiana, 2002
X#315a Carrter Dollar, Copper-Nickel, Maine, 2003
X#315b Carrter Dollar, Yellow Brass, Maine, 2003
X#315c Carrter Dollar, Silver, Maine, 2003
X#316a Carrter Dollar, Copper-Nickel, Florida, 2004
X#316b Carrter Dollar, Yellow Brass, Florida, 2004
X#316c Carrter Dollar, Silver, Florida, 2004
X#317a, b, c: Texas, 2004
X#318a, b, c: Kalifornia, 2005
X#319a, b, c: Oregon, 2005
X#320a, b, c: Colorado [Land of S.U.V.], 2006
X#321a, b, c: South Dakota, 2006
X307a Carrter Dollar, Yellow Brass, Altered States of America, ND
X307b Carrter Dollar, Silver, Altered States of America, ND
X322a, b, c: Wyoming, 2007
X323a, b, c: Nuke Mexico, 2008

Daniel Carr Prototype Dollars
X#366a, 01, Brass, Pilot Bessie Coleman, 2001
X#366b, 01, Silver, Pilot Bessie Coleman, 2001
X#369a, 1000000 Dollars, Brass, Sacagawea, 2001
X#369b, 1000000 Dollars, Silver, Sacagawea, 2001
X#370a, 1000000 Dollars, Brass, Sacagawea, 2003
X#370b, 1000000 Dollars, Silver, Sacagawea, 2003

…to be continued…

Zoins

@philographer said:

@TomB said:
Hopefully, for you, the coins are already encapsulated and shipped out so that PCGS might not crack them and send them back raw if they have a change of heart. I likely would have waited until they were in-hand.

Ha, it’s not like I snuck them through! They say plain as day on their website that they will grade these items…and I confirmed this in writing before sending to them.

Agree. PCGS policy explicitly states they will slab items in Krause, which these are.

johnny9434

Cool to hear that

Clackamas1

When did PCGS start grading DC coins? This is news to me.

ricko

Glad to hear this... Dan does nice work. Cheers, RickO

Rob9874

@philographer said:

Unrelated question, but did you print out those inserts or did they come with those? I really like that, and was wondering if you use a template to type those out and then print?

WingedLiberty1957

I got Phil Arnold to take a photo of mine, however the cert number is dead, and it's not slabbed (no grade). That was submitted back in 2018 I think. Still it's cool to see it photographed like a TrueView.

robec

Too bad you didn’t have TrueViews made. The Cert numbers do come up on the Cert page, but no photo available.

philographer

@Rob9874 said:

@philographer said:

Unrelated question, but did you print out those inserts or did they come with those? I really like that, and was wondering if you use a template to type those out and then print?

Thanks @Rob9874 . I made them in Microsoft PowerPoint. There are two for each so you can fold over and have a front and back. Am glad to send you the original file if you'd like, so you can easily edit...I can just PM it to you.

philographer

@robec said:
Too bad you didn’t have TrueViews made. The Cert numbers do come up on the Cert page, but no photo available.

Thanks @robec . I submitted Gold Shield with TrueView, so photos should hopefully post shortly.

dbldie55

hoping it would include the 1879 and 1914 Liberty Nickels. Would love to have them in PCGS holders to go with the rest of the set.

philographer

@dbldie55 said:
hoping it would include the 1879 and 1914 Liberty Nickels. Would love to have them in PCGS holders to go with the rest of the set.

In Krause, only a few Carr fantasy overstrikes are listed:

X#383 - i.e. the 1964-D Peace Dollar--including "BU", "Cameo Proof", and "Matte Proof"
X#384 - 1975 Eisenhower - copper-nickel clad copper
X#384b - 1975-D Eisenhower - silver

Again, the book was published in 2011.

jessewvu

I talked to the authorized dealer network to try to get a few hundred pieces graded. They weren’t interested. Congrats. Not sure how big this news is if it’s so selective on what you can and cannot submit.

May be more trouble than it’s worth unless someone just has to have these in pcgs plastic for some reason.

philographer

Arrived today but still waiting on TrueViews to post:

I’m not sure why the One Roller is encapsulated with the reverse as the front but 😀…

Crackout

"NICE!"

coinsarefun

I LOVE it @philographer Can't wait for the true views!

robec

Which 3 did you submit? Was the Matte proof one of them?

philographer

@robec said:
Which 3 did you submit? Was the Matte proof one of them?

Thanks @robec . I don’t have a matte proof so didn’t test that one.

Coins 1 and 3 are Die Pair 5, High-Luster.

Coin 2 is Die Pair 6, High Grade

robec

@philographer said:

@robec said:
Which 3 did you submit? Was the Matte proof one of them?

Thanks @robec . I don’t have a matte proof so didn’t test that one.

Coins 1 and 3 are Die Pair 5, High-Luster.

Coin 2 is Die Pair 6, High Grade

Thank you!!

thefinn

I guess if they’ll grade AT ASEs there’s no reason not to grade fantasies.
I guess it shows that they need the revenue.

Zoins

I like how they say "Daniel Carr" on them.

Way to go PCGS

BryceM

I feel a submission coming on......

Mr Lindy

Mr Lindy

Brand new in shrink wrap via flea bay at 2/3 cover price versus $120:

https://www.amazon.com/Unusual-World-Coins-Companion-Standard-dp-1440217025/dp/1440217025/ref=mt_other?_encoding=UTF8&me=&qid=

coinsarefun

I did a pdf download on eBay years ago for $10

7Jaguars

That book, which I got cheaply is perhaps the last of its kind and it is now TEN years old (or more). Many types are not listed. Hosts really confounded me when they refused to slab gold versions of types that were listed in silver and other metals and despite having a provenance at a prominent Spink auction. Then, they now slab types that were never in that book in any metal and struck subsequent to the 2011 date. I gave up trying to use them for certifying many of these coins.

Zoins

It really needs to be expanded annually with many more of Dan's coins

This really shows the influence cataloging has.

Zoins

TrueViews are up! Thanks @philographer and @PCGSPhoto!

Here's an older one from @U1chicago for completeness. Great to see all these coins from Dan being TrueViewed!

ZoidMeister

Interesting to note there is also an entire section devoted to Gallery Mint Museum strikes as well.
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Maybe if Dan increased his "advertising budget" . . . . . ?

He has a full page ad in the 5th Edition.

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Zoins

@ZoidMeister said:
Interesting to note there is also an entire section devoted to Gallery Mint Museum strikes as well.

I'm waiting for the TrueViews!

steveben

@ZoidMeister said:
Interesting to note there is also an entire section devoted to Gallery Mint Museum strikes as well.

what!??! so i can get my gmm half cents and cents slabbed? nice!!!!

cameonut2011

Will PCGS be slabbing Omega man gold, Henning nickels, Norfed dollars, and “racketeer” Liberty Head Nickels too?

I think we should extend this special treatment to the orient too to be consistent. We could take the ICG approach and slab wooden nickels too. Why don’t we start straight grading all altered coins with straight grades too? Altered mint mark? No problem. Altered date? Game on. Just wait until you see my collection of gem 1916 Mercury Dimes with added D mint mark. Maybe I should add some ANACS slabbed HSN pieces to have a well matched collection.

Edited: No cheap shot intended to the OP.

coinsarefun

@cameonut2011 said:
Will PCGS be slabbing Omega man gold, Henning nickels, Norfed dollars, and “racketeer” Liberty Head Nickels too?

I think we should extend this special treatment to the orient too to be consistent. We could take the ICG approach and slab wooden nickels too. Why don’t we start straight grading all altered coins with straight grades too? Altered mint mark? No problem. Altered date? Game on. Just wait until you see my collection of gem 1916 Mercury Dimes with added D mint mark. Maybe I should add some ANACS slabbed HSN pieces to have a well matched collection.

Edited: No cheap shot intended to the OP.

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They do a fair amount of Norfed dollars