So, is this a "Details" grade, or a "Body Bag?"

ZoidMeister

DETAILS or BODY BAG?

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I recently purchased the little token below. I really liked the strike and design. I could clearly see that it was fairly harshly cleaned, but has toned back to be attractive enough. It is an interesting Rulau PA-197a.
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The seller mentioned in the listing, "UNC (CLEANED) - NR" and showed the raw coin.

That all I expected to get.

However when I received the package, it came with THIS . . . . . . . .
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It has OBVIOUSLY been submitted to NCG, isn't in a slab, and came with the tag you see above.

So . . . . . . .

Does this mean it was returned "DETAILS" or is this how NCG send back a coin in a "body bag?"

I have yet to submit anything to a TPG (mostly because my stuff would ALL come back in "body bags") so I am not familiar if the respective "corpse" comes back with a "toe tag" attached.

And if this one WAS returned "details" in a slab, I wonder whatever happened to the slab? I mean, I have seen plenty of coins in slabs with a similar tag enclosed.

What say you? Body bag or missing slab?

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BTW, I will put this back into my own slab, tag included. Does this send me to "numismatic hell?"

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airplanenut

That’s a tag for a details slab. If a coin is in a body bag it won’t get any type of grade assigned and will either have a note “genuine not gradable” with a problem listed (like active PVC) or “not genuine” (or something worded similarly).

With that tag the coin was in a holder and cracked.

ZoidMeister

@airplanenut said:
That’s a tag for a details slab. If a coin is in a body bag it won’t get any type of grade assigned and will either have a note “genuine not gradable” with a problem listed (like active PVC) or “not genuine” (or something worded similarly).

With that tag the coin was in a holder and cracked.

That's what I was curious about. Why crack it out and sell it raw, then include the toe tag . . . ?

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airplanenut

@ZoidMeister said:

@airplanenut said:
That’s a tag for a details slab. If a coin is in a body bag it won’t get any type of grade assigned and will either have a note “genuine not gradable” with a problem listed (like active PVC) or “not genuine” (or something worded similarly).

With that tag the coin was in a holder and cracked.

That's what I was curious about. Why crack it out and sell it raw, then include the toe tag . . . ?

Z

Maybe it was out in an album or it wasn’t deemed necessary to be in a slab so now it takes up less space?

Every so often I come across cracked coins with their tags, and I’d say more often than not they are details coins.

U1chicago

It's likely what @airplanenut mentioned. For example, I have cracked out some details coins for an album and kept the label. Another possibility is that someone wanted to study it more easily, so they cracked it out (not a big deal given the grade).

airplanenut

I should also add that I’ve kept the tags for all the coins I’ve cracked and out in my 7070. None are details coins, but if I ever sell them, I’ll include the tag.

davewesen

this is what it looked like when it left NGC

https://ngccoin.com/certlookup/5853527-005/NGCDetails/

clarkbar04

There’s no difference, it depends on if the submitter wants genuine details coins slabbed or not.

RB1026

@airplanenut said:
That’s a tag for a details slab. If a coin is in a body bag it won’t get any type of grade assigned and will either have a note “genuine not gradable” with a problem listed (like active PVC) or “not genuine” (or something worded similarly).

With that tag the coin was in a holder and cracked.

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What @airplanenut said. I've purchased a few coins over the years that came with a tag because the previous owner had cracked it out. I'd think if you want it in a TPG holder and submitted it, it would come back with a similar outcome and be given a "scratches" or "cleaned" designation. Too nice for a body bag, imo. From what I am seeing on eBay these days, there are a LOT of coins considerably worse off than yours getting into details slabs these days.

Cool piece! I've not seen one before.

coinsarefun

These used to bring good money in copper. Shame they cleaned it so badly. I have to say it was
very nice of the seller to send you the insert even though he or previous owner tried to get it
in a graded slab.
It is a neat token and they have a few in different metals but copper is the rarest, if memory serves m right.

BillJones

Many ancient coin dealers and collectors don’t care for slabbed coins. I have seen and purchased several pieces in flips that had the slab tag included. Those tags are of interest because they provide another opinion about the piece including a grade and the quality of the strike and surfaces.

stockdude_

Where did you get the slab from?

ZoidMeister

@stockdude_ said:
Where did you get the slab from?

Alibaba's den of thieves . . . . .

It's a PCCB self slab.

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ricko

Interesting old token.... I would buy one of those if I saw it...just to add to my collection of 'old' decks of playing cards.. meld the two hobbies. Cheers, RickO