DDO versus mint sloppiness
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Since I was a kid, I've thought the 1955 DDO was a really neat coin. The 1972 is interesting though of course less dramatic. And, many of the cherry picker's versions seem of very little note.
Recently, I've been looking at the Kennedy half series, in particular, the many DDOs. I'm having a little trouble getting enthused. Maybe the FS-103 is a bit amusing. But, for the most part, aren't these just examples of the mint being overworked in 1964-1965 and getting a bit sloppy in die preparation? Some are so subtle that it is hard for me to think of them as a variety.
Are there passionate specialists putting together complete sets of these coins?
If I were looking for a single example of a silver Kennedy DDO coin, can someone point me to the most dramatic variety?
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why not go for the QDO
I think these two are worthy-
1964-D DDO-001
1974-D DDO-001
Most of the 1974-D are also early to mid die states (a GOOD thing!) since they are found in Mint sets.
I think the 1964-D, Dies #3 and #5 as well as the 1966 Dies #13 and #19 are nice ones, too. You can view all these here-http://www.varietyvista.com/12 Kennedy Halves/DDO Listings.htm
silver isn't bad too
When you characterize errors and many varieties as Mint sloppiness, it puts the coins in a negative light. Who wants the rejects/faulty merchandise?
I never thought of it like that (I.e. the items are “defective”). 😯
Great post.
Thank you!
@cameonut2011 said: "When you characterize errors and many varieties as Mint sloppiness, it puts the coins in a negative light. Who wants the rejects/faulty merchandise?"
I should clarify that I did not mean to demean the coins or the collectors.
But, it seems like the more interesting errors emerge when a big "mistake" was made, whether it's significantly off center strike or a wrong planchet or a very obvious DD like the 1955 Lincoln. For many of the Kennedy DDOs, it seems like the mint was just under pressure to produce a lot of dies, and quite a few came out with a look that, to my aging eyes, is simply a bit fuzzy.
With that said, I do like the examples posted by @koynewest above!
I don't know of a quintupled die in the Kennedys but there is a sextupled die on a few of the 1967 SMS issue, Die #6-
Well split my serifs!
Those are some real nice ones.
Pete
When I collected my Kennedy set, I did add (I think I remember) two of the DDO's and the TDO.... Will have to check on that... I did not bother with the real minor ones. Cheers, RickO
I have in my current registry set the 1964 DDOs and QDO coins ( FS 101, FS 105 and FS 501)
also have the 1966SMS ( FS103) and the 1974 DDO (FS 101)
Currently "Great Collections" has a 1964-D QDO (FS 105) going up for bid.
I am slowly (very slowly) putting together the
"Kennedy Half Dollars Complete Variety Set, Circulation Strikes and Proof (1964-Present)"
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1964 D QDO FS105
Edited to fix 64 to a DDO as shown
Kennedys are my quest...
The '64-Ds are tripled dies, not quad or quint.
That's a very nice grade on your '74-D.
Thanks
The 64 d fs 105 (013.6) QDO and the 64 d D/D fs 501 both currently have a population of 8 with none higher.
I am looking to upgrade the 74 d DDO fs101 (015) to a MS66.
PCGS lists the 64 d fs 105 (013.6) QDO, as a QUADRUPLED DIE OBVERSE
See:
COINFACTS HOME / HALF DOLLARS / KENNEDY HALF DOLLAR / TYPE 1, SILVER / 1964-D 50C QUADRUPLED DIE OBVERSE
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1964-d-50c-qdo-fs-105-013-6/145363
Check the true view shown and its certification number.
Am I missing something? any info would help if I am.
Thanks
Wayne
Kennedys are my quest...
Fun series.
Plenty of interesting varieties.
I made a list of them all, and will also try a complete set.
BST: KindaNewish (3/21/21), WQuarterFreddie (3/30/21), Meltdown (4/6/21), DBSTrader2 (5/5/21) AKA- unclemonkey on Blow Out
Variety Vista lists both as tripled dies.
I count three hubbings on Die #3
And three hubbings on Die #5
You count 3 and Pcgs lists it as a quad. Is Pcgs wrong and the label attribute also wrong?
Please fill me in why they list it as a Quad. I am so willing to learn. Who do I contact at Pcgs to understand why it is a Quad in their listings? Do they know something that you and don't know?
Wayne
Kennedys are my quest...
I would trust Variety Vista above all else. Varieties are their business. Wexler also calls them tripled dies. I've cherried both of the varieties in question and have seen them up close and personal. I still have a couple of Die #5. How many hubbings do you count in those images? That should clear things up.
Since this coin has been recently graded by Pcgs with the NFC chip, I will go with them. I do understand in your seeing 3 strikes. I will open a new discussion and see what others have to say. I am hoping that PCGS registry will clarify why they call it a Quad and not a trip.
Appreciate your input.
Wayne
Kennedys are my quest...
registry is registry.
this is a die variety question.
There's no better reference than CONECA (Variety Vista) and John Wexler. I would accept their designation. Die #5 may have at one time been listed as a quad or quint die but that has since been corrected.
Opened a new discussion as since this coin was recently graded with the NFC chip, I would say that the registry is sticking to their attributes of Quad.
Kennedys are my quest...
So be it. I'm all done beating this dead horse.