Cool glimpse of history - Video by Heritage showing luster of the 1811 PCGS-65 Red CAC Large Cent
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While I find that the lighting on many of the coin videos by Heritage seem to miss the mark, there are those that catch the luster very well.
One of those in my opinion is the 1811 PCGS-65 Red Large Cent that sold in the January 2021 FUN auction from the Oliver Jung Collection. This coin is probably the closest you can get to what people from that time were seeing on a Turban Head Cent when issued.
It sold for $198,000, down from the $493,500 it brought in the March 2017 Pogue Part V sale by Stack's Bowers. Now it is in the D. L. Hansen collection as noted and expanded on in this post by Currin in the Hansen Watch thread.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/12819217/#Comment_12819217
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I have no connection to the coin, just find the videos fascinating and posting for any who did not see it.
Does anyone who has seen the coin in the 1980's or 1990's know if the color has maintained its red or has it mellowed any?
Wonder if there are any inert environments to store such coins in (like a sealed pure nitrogen enclosure around the slab maybe). Have noticed over the years a number of auction catalogs with early copper that mentioned the red colors had mellowed on some other coins after apparently being bright into the 1960's but changing by the 1980's and 1990's.
Here is the link to the lot at Heritage:
[https://coins.ha.com/itm/large-cents/1811-1c-s-287-b-1-r2-ms65-red-pcgs-cac/a/1326-3986.s?pcgsNo=36498&tabSrc=36498&showVarietyTab=1#comparables-scroll-anchor](https://coins.ha.com/itm/large-cents/1811-1c-s-287-b-1-r2-ms65-red-pcgs-cac/a/1326-3986.s?pcgsNo=36498&tabSrc=36498&showVarietyTab=1#comparables-scroll-anchor)](https://coins.ha.com/itm/large-cents/1811-1c-s-287-b-1-r2-ms65-red-pcgs-cac/a/1326-3986.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Inventory-BuyNowFromOwner-ThisAuction-120115)
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Obverse video:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjxykjUmFgY
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Reverse video:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S_6t0tSpzM
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(Edit to to rearrange title and correct a misspelling in it)
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Very cool! I wish I could travel back in time to see the coins of that time in their mint condition.
Oh cool, Heritage is just blatantly ripping off Stacks Bowers now.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
It would be a lot of fun to go back for a while to mint some coins. I wonder how much I'd miss the creature comforts we have now, if at all.
I’m going to guess that both firms have licensed the technology from the software creator.
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
Re thread title. I think it would be more accurate to describe the coin as having luster than the video. As to the OP’s point, the video does show the coin very well.
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
How so?
Heritage has been doing videos for years, long before Stack's Bowers started.
I've noticed they have tried several variations since early 2020 with the reliance on photos becoming more important rather than in-person viewing.
They have been getting somewhat better at it recently but still are sometimes lacking in ways that seem like the lighting angle could help solve.
Here is one from April 2014 that came out somewhat good.
Lot link:
https://coins.ha.com/itm/territorial-gold/1852-50-assay-office-fifty-dollar-900-thous-ms64-pcgs-secure-cac-k-14-high-r5/a/1204-5467.s?ic3=ViewItem-Auction-Archive-BrowseThisAuction-120115
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"To Be Esteemed Be Useful" - 1792 Birch Cent --- "I personally think we developed language because of our deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
either this or they both have iphone 11s.
i concur with the posts about videos being posted to auctions for years and the subject has even been discussed at least a couple times probably in as many months.
iirc, even some members here tinkered with luster/videos and uploaded them. this is more spread out over a period of many years.
and to the OP - WHAT A COIN!!!
A monster of a large cent, for sure.
IIRC the press release literally said "Stacks Bowers has acquired Coins in Motion" so not so much. I doubt they would buy software then license the rights to a competitor.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
And no freaking covid, just saying
It's the stopper in the set. Typically mellowed RD that you'd find in an older large cent (Braided Hair Large Cents in this grade I've seen aren't as mellowed in color). But where this coin shines is its incredibly clean surfaces. Classic Large Cents are known for substandard planchets and all sorts of problems with surfaces. You'll see this even in Uncs. This coin's surfaces are pristine. You will rarely see this in a Classic Large Cent.
"Seu cabra da peste,
"Sou Mangueira......."
That’s a stunningly nice large cent.
I find that cent simply incredible. For a copper cent to have retained color and luster after 210 years is amazing. And the background story of being found in an old desk just adds to the mystery of it's preservation. Cheers, RickO
That large cent is a time portal. Just superb in retaining so much original qualities, including the red coloring.
The videos are a neat presentation and do highlight the lusters and effects thereof. I wish the video showed more of the coin's physical relief, but I supposed one can only do so much with a certified specimen. That being said, capturing all of the dynamics of an individual coin in a single 2D plane of view remains a top-notch challenge in the increasingly digital dependencies of the hobby,
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I would miss the comforts, which is why I'd only go back during the day, bring some gold/silver back, have it minted into coins, sell some, keep some would be loads of fun!
I highly doubt there's anything proprietary about Coins in Motion. I don't see anything there worth filing for a utility patent, let alone a design patent.
I'd be more than surprised if any of the following doesn't describe what happened:
a) Stacks licensed to Heritage
b) Heritage created this in-house
c) or hired someone to build this out
There's nothing remotely complex (in this sense, novel or unknown) about the software involved, it's just a lot of postprocessing that can be automated with a few sets of scripts. The most work would be if they want to build out a custom servo system to autorotate the lights for the photos, but again nothing that hasn't already been solved a hundred times over and probably even has decent open source implementations for all to use.
"The patent-pending Coins In Motion technology creates high-resolution animations that accurately capture the in-hand visual appeal of coins and banknotes in a manner unlike any still or video photography available today. Coins In Motion animations will be first available for select highlights of the firm’s December 2020 Showcase Auctions."
I suppose they've taken steps to patent it but it isn't there yet. At any rate, it's kinda distasteful of Heritage to copy something so blatantly, in my opinion.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
Omg and typhoid 😝
It looks fresh from the mint. How does a coin like that with a lot of copper in it, which is highly reactive survive into 2021 with no field coloring from time as you would expect? Was it conserved?
Imagine landing in Boston and making your way to Philadelphia?
Software patents are nearly impossible to enforce, unfortunately (or fortunately) [and this may very well be true of many other industries as well]. As someone in the industry, I actually think that's a good thing.
To use an analogy that may be a bit more palatable, imagine that you could patent not just a particular bridge design, but the entire concept of a bridge itself. That would be terrible if then only one entity (person or company) could own rights to the construction of any bridge going forward in this country.
Similar idea here -- sure maybe they could patent something about the particular method by which they combine images together to form a smooth GIF, but I don't see any reason for them to be able to patent the general concept of "converting high res images into an animation" even if it were simply limited to coins.
For one, they're certainly not the first to think of this, and even if it were possible to patent the general concept then if I take a series of high res images of my coin and stitch it together into a GIF, do I now owe royalty / be in violation of their patent? I'll pass on that, thanks.
It's pretty easy to skirt software patents by simply saying "oh yeah, I just changed the method a bit," for better or worse. Even if they patented the hardware platform by which they create these images, Heritage could simply create a different one with different parts.
Like Sky King said, "She's a nice Penny."
Per the patent pending sub-discussion, Galileo didn't invent the telescope, he was just one of the first and the most influential individuals to have turned it to the stars. Likewise, creating a time-lapse video by stitching together several high resolution photos isn't new, pointing the camera at a coin and moving the surrounding lights while the camera clicks automatically is simply a matter of focusing on a different kind of target.
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It's one thing for it to be a gif/video of the coin, but they're clearly using some kind of software to tilt the coin in post. That isn't accomplishable with typical hardware for imaging. The process of adding layers in post, plus using software to render that tilt to the coin certainly could be a patent-able process, no?
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Gorgeous example! Am I the only one that thinks it should be described as RB?
I keep asking myself why the mint ?
luster on this coin looks different than the mint luster on all the other
1811 Large cents I have seen ?