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I may have tracked down (A SECOND ONE) the very hard to find 1988d "Wide AM"? SCOPE PICS

joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,590 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited February 9, 2021 12:15AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Hi guys, yes I think I found it? Mind you, pretty rough, but at least it's the harder one of the two. The Denver is more valuable. Maybe a grade 50-58?
I'll take better pics with my scope later.
Acetone bath later, as well. Thanks



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  • tincuptincup Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm no expert on these... the gap between the A and M does look wider.... but the FG initials do not seem to match the position of the PCGS photo that I just looked at. Based on that... I'd say not.... but get more opinions!!

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  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,665 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm no expert but it looks like it to me @joeykoins

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i agree and after clicking a bunch of your threads, nice you see you have a find. :)

    the odds are very small but i know people that have bought the wide/close AM coins that were taken apart and mated together. forget the term for it just now.

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  • tincuptincup Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The 'FG' position does confuse me... but like I said.... certainly no expert on these. So if others say it is... then congrats on a good find!

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  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,590 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 8, 2021 12:41PM

    This variety is a strange one. I don't know why they call it the, "Wide AM"? This particular one emphasizes more on the "FG" initials. Rather than the two letters, A +M. Whether the G, in FG, happens to be a straight G or a Detailed G. And yes, the ones that appear closer to the building is the winner!

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  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,590 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 8, 2021 3:21PM

    Scope Pictures





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  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 2,171 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @joeykoins said:

    Scope Pictures




    It is RDV-005. Designers' initials are not bold enough and don't have well-developed serifs. Lots more empty space inside the "G" because it relatively thin. Sometimes the RDV-005 can look like it has a faint hint of the bottom serif, as on your example. Also note that the terminal of the loop of "G" hangs farther over the stem on the RDV-005 than on the RDV-006.

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @IkesT said:
    Joey, your cent is not the FS-901 (RDV-006); it has the common RDV-005 reverse.

    tyvm. when i coinfacted that wide am 1988-d, i just took it's word for it (and was shocked such a creature existed) and was thinking there is only the serif G rev but i should have stuck with my gut.

    i've only found one of these but i know there are probably a few handfulls out there with some variations.

    that wide am designation probably shouldn't be applied to the fs-901 descript except as a diagnostic, not the premier feature.

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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 10,395 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Does not appear correct from what I see.

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  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,590 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 8, 2021 3:34PM

    PCGS Coin Facts

    My Coin

    I Guess I do see the Difference. Thanks ;)

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  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 2,171 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 8, 2021 3:40PM

    You're welcome. :)

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,592 ✭✭✭✭✭

    :)

  • tincuptincup Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for the info IkesT... clears up my confusion and makes sense now.

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  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Joey, acetone on Copper/Bronze should be a no-no.

  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,590 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @keets said:
    Joey, acetone on Copper/Bronze should be a no-no.

    Thanks for the heads up. When I do, I only let it sit for maybe only a few minutes. Then immediately rinse in warm water. Thanks :)

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  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 7,430 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I found one the other day. And to me the A & M actually look closer on the wide variety. Yours has a bubble on the initial making it look like the right G.

  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,590 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 9, 2021 12:21AM

    A Second One? Fatter?



    Is it this Horizontal line that my coins are lacking?

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @IkesT.... Excellent information and details.... clears up some confusion I was having.... Thank you, Cheers, RickO

  • yspsalesyspsales Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Years ago I went thru these by the box full.

    I swear there is a third die reverse to these.

    There would be wide, close and something in between... but it was there.

    Maybe I am thinking the 1992.

    Nice finds BTW

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  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,855 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Definitely one I look for. I believe the Denver coins are more common that the Philly ones.

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  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 2,171 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 9, 2021 10:53AM

    @joeykoins said:

    Is it this Horizontal line that my coins are lacking?

    Yes, that is the top serif on the stem of "G" that juts out to the left. It is present on the RDV-006, but not the RDV-005. You are right that your coins don't have it.

    If you want a study piece for the RDV-006, you can use any cent from 1989 to 1991. The vast majority of 1992 cents also have the RDV-006 (the rare 1992 & 1992-D Close AM have RDV-007). The 1998-2000 Wide AM FS-901 cents also have the RDV-006.

  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 2,171 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cmerlo1 said:
    Definitely one I look for. I believe the Denver coins are more common that the Philly ones.

    It is actually the other way around - there are more of the Philadelphia than the Denver.

    VarietyVista lists the known dies for these varieties:

    1988 1c RDV-006 (FS-901) - 7 known dies
    1988-D 1c RDV-006 (FS-901) - 3 known dies

    http://varietyvista.com/01b LC Doubled Dies Vol 2/1988PRDV0061.htm
    http://varietyvista.com/01b LC Doubled Dies Vol 2/1988DRDV0061.htm

    The VarietyVista page layout makes it easy to overlook this information. You can go through the different dies by clicking the top right link:

  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,855 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you!

    @IkesT said:

    @cmerlo1 said:
    Definitely one I look for. I believe the Denver coins are more common that the Philly ones.

    It is actually the other way around - there are more of the Philadelphia than the Denver.

    VarietyVista lists the known dies for these varieties:

    1988 1c RDV-006 (FS-901) - 7 known dies
    1988-D 1c RDV-006 (FS-901) - 3 known dies

    http://varietyvista.com/01b LC Doubled Dies Vol 2/1988PRDV0061.htm
    http://varietyvista.com/01b LC Doubled Dies Vol 2/1988DRDV0061.htm

    The VarietyVista page layout makes it easy to overlook this information. You can go through the different dies by clicking the top right link:

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cmerlo1 said:

    VarietyVista lists the known dies for these varieties:
    1988 1c RDV-006 (FS-901) - 7 known dies
    1988-D 1c RDV-006 (FS-901) - 3 known dies

    that is impressive considering how low the pops seem to be.

    wonder if that means these are a lot of leftover dies with short lives? i'll have to look at some more pics for cracks/breaks/gouges/extreme polishing etc.

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  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,590 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @IkesT said:

    Great info, dude. Thank you ;)

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  • Snowman24Snowman24 Posts: 462 ✭✭✭

    Joey - it looks like like your cent is one of them, but on the rough side. I'm surprised how far this variety has gone since first sending it in.

    Here is the article from Coin World that Dr James Wiles used when my i sent him the first one.

  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,590 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 9, 2021 3:42PM

    @Snowman24 said:
    Here is the article from Coin World that Dr James Wiles used when my i sent him the first one.

    Wow, is this your discovery? :*
    Are you, Jeff, the man? Lol :*

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  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,940 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What kind of scope are you using?

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  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,590 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 9, 2021 4:21PM

    @ms70 said:
    What kind of scope are you using?

    Very inexpensive but very effective. At Walmart/Amazon. :)

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  • rec78rec78 Posts: 5,624 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 9, 2021 11:56PM

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:

    @cmerlo1 said:

    VarietyVista lists the known dies for these varieties:
    1988 1c RDV-006 (FS-901) - 7 known dies
    1988-D 1c RDV-006 (FS-901) - 3 known dies

    that is impressive considering how low the pops seem to be.

    wonder if that means these are a lot of leftover dies with short lives? i'll have to look at some more pics for cracks/breaks/gouges/extreme polishing etc.

    Could be that not too many collectors are searching for this variety. I will bet that there are many more to be found and many more that will never be found.

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  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Jimnight said:
    :)

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