Those are difficult pictures, but I am almost sure they are both are proofs, and pretty sure neither is worth the fees of grading.
That last part is because I can not tell how "perfect" the surfaces are, but some telltale remnants make me think not.
Also from what I can tell, neither has frosted devices, so CAM designations are out, and I think you would need 69's on these dates to do okay otherwise.
EDITTED TO ADD; Both are attractive coins. Nice ones to keep.
“We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”
I see the other thread now. Defiance seems to have finally given way to acceptance.
Oh well, you are still ahead of the guy who insisted that his early 60s "mint set" was all slab-worthy because they were all such good strikes. He had actually cut open and submitted individually the coins from a proof set.
if they come back as proof 65, what would be the value of them.
compare to the value of them now
decide if you want to have them in plastic or buy 20 more just like them
@MsMorrisine said:
they're not beauty queen proofs. perhaps that is step 1 of the confusion.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder... Me being the beholder lol
"...as neere is Fancie to Beautie, as the pricke to the Rose, as the stalke to the rynde, as the earth to the roote."
Can you translate that into English? 😁
Do you really not understand it or are you joking?
The emoji indicates it's a joke.
Plug the quote into Google. I did and learned a little about late 16th century English literature. I assumed the quote was Shakespeare, but it wasn't, so I learned something today.
There was a disagreement between me and @keets and I wanted to see who was wrong and who was right... I was wrong.
no harm no foul and even better if you can learn something from the experience. I also learned something from this: there are apparently 14 members who cannot recognize what should be glaringly obvious. it is also interesting that the very first reply to the other thread was by MrSpud who said "Nice Proofs."
Whoever on CT says they are not proof is uninformed. Challenge their opinion. It is not a vote - the truth is the truth. Inexperienced people don't get to change reality.
@JBK said:
Whoever on CT says they are not proof is uninformed. Challenge their opinion. It is not a vote - the truth is the truth. Inexperienced people don't get to change reality.
No need to go to CT. Nine people on this forum voted “no” to the coins being Proofs in this very thread.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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"Yes". If they were business stikes, they would be the 4th and 5th graded as MS69 (and you could ask 40K on eBay for one of them...).
the inside edge of the rim are sharp all the way around- only seen on proofs
it seems coins were handled, possibly put in an album and the mirrors and reflective field are muted with toning
It looks it
Coin one has a poor reverse... so not really sure on that one. Coin two, yes.... Cheers, RickO
Those are difficult pictures, but I am almost sure they are both are proofs, and pretty sure neither is worth the fees of grading.
That last part is because I can not tell how "perfect" the surfaces are, but some telltale remnants make me think not.
Also from what I can tell, neither has frosted devices, so CAM designations are out, and I think you would need 69's on these dates to do okay otherwise.
EDITTED TO ADD; Both are attractive coins. Nice ones to keep.
“We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”
Todd - BHNC #242
Haven't we already gone over this topic about your "Favorite Coins" in another thread?
check coinfacts
Why Yes.......Yes they are
Steve
I see the other thread now. Defiance seems to have finally given way to acceptance.
Oh well, you are still ahead of the guy who insisted that his early 60s "mint set" was all slab-worthy because they were all such good strikes. He had actually cut open and submitted individually the coins from a proof set.

they're not beauty queen proofs. perhaps that is step 1 of the confusion.
if they come back as proof 65, what would be the value of them.
compare to the value of them now
decide if you want to have them in plastic or buy 20 more just like them
"...as neere is Fancie to Beautie, as the pricke to the Rose, as the stalke to the rynde, as the earth to the roote."
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Nicely put, Mr. Boston.
Pete
Can you translate that into English? 😁
The emoji indicates it's a joke.
Plug the quote into Google. I did and learned a little about late 16th century English literature. I assumed the quote was Shakespeare, but it wasn't, so I learned something today.
There was a disagreement between me and @keets and I wanted to see who was wrong and who was right... I was wrong.
no harm no foul and even better if you can learn something from the experience. I also learned something from this: there are apparently 14 members who cannot recognize what should be glaringly obvious. it is also interesting that the very first reply to the other thread was by MrSpud who said "Nice Proofs."
that's a wise move.
Whoever on CT says they are not proof is uninformed. Challenge their opinion. It is not a vote - the truth is the truth. Inexperienced people don't get to change reality.
No need to go to CT. Nine people on this forum voted “no” to the coins being Proofs in this very thread.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.