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Educate me please, how is the Peace Dollar MS64?
Joe_360
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Looking at 1922D PD on eBay and saw this, please tell me how it's MS64? No eye appeal IMO. Looks like a finger-print at the date/neck. The letters on the reverse look illegible. What am I missing, Thanks
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I don't know if can educate you, but I will say this;
That coin has serious luster. If not for the somewhat negative, not for everyone toning and the average strike and the pin scar in the obverse field, that thing is a monster. Of course all those strikes against it make it a different kind of monster!
Strike is not a totally grade defining factor, especially at MS64 and below. Neither is neutral eye appeal.
That coin to me, is carried by it's luster. Of course, I don't see it as a 64 (I can see easily se it as a 63 though, so 64 is not a stretch), but I don't have it in hand either.
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It looks like an ugly MS63 in the pictures. It might look better or worse, in hand.
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That is why we have CAC stickers,,,,, this coin does not have one,,,,,,,,,, enough said,,,,,,,
Not enough said. We don’t know what the (edited for typo) coin looks like in hand. And even if it’s a dog, there are countless CAC-worthy coins that haven’t been submitted to CAC. ANd there are many other very nice coins that have been and didn’t receive stickers.
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Looks pretty clean to me. Not baggy, just not appealing.
OK, enough said as far as I am concerned,,,, please feel free to add your rebuttal as you always do.
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It doesn’t take much wisdom at all to observe what I did in my previous post. But please feel free to continue to be as sarcastic as you wish.
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Although I consider that coin to be ugly squared, it does have some good detail. IMO, the picture denotes a 63, in hand, could be better. For me, the eye appeal cancels it as a candidate for acquisition. Cheers, RickO
Yes, but even the seller states, “Graded by NGC as MS64 Please Look At Photos For Condition" so makes think that it does not looks so good in hand...
But RickO, it it just a bad picture the e Plu look illegible...? e pluribus unum
Maybe a candidate for NCS
Not sure what to say about the OP's assessment.
Agree that eye appeal is a little challenging on that coin. But to raise the fingerprint as a grading issue? I always understood that fingerprints and other toning/tarnish do not necessarily factor into grading (except maybe at 70).
Also, I think the pics are not the best.
Lastly, MS64 may have slightly different meanings depending on who is printing the label.
CAC'ing a common midgrade Peace dollar is silly.
Got to wonder how many different 63 holders that such a coin has been in. Could be anywhere from zero to many.
Spoke too soon.
I have found that any money spent on CAC or QA Check Stickers is more than made up when time to re-sell them,,,,,,,,, sometimes many multiples of the cost of doing so.
Why some would’ve bothereded grading this in the first place is beyond me!
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Pics can make a bad coin look good or a good coin look bad.
Some post misleading pics on purpose others because they aren’t thinking.
@Joe_360 .... It is a bad picture to try to evaluate the coin...and the 'weak' letters on the reverse may be better than they appear... Or could be grease filled die. Just cannot determine much from the pictures. Cheers, RickO
Top Rated Seller, so you would believe that they know how to take pictures, so why post bad ones?
It doesn't surprise me at all. I see too many NGC over graded coins. That's why you need to pay discount on most NGC graded coins.
Judging that coin from those photos is probably a mistake.
Sure, it probably isn't for everyone, but I can't see any particular reason it shouldn't be in a 64 holder. It doesn't look like a particularly nice 64, and maybe on another day it would grade 63 - no big deal. PCGS Price Guide says $100 for 64 and $135 for MS64. This coin in a 64 holder probably sells for 63 money anyhow.
Casting aspersions on all coins in NGC holders or all coins without CAC stickers because of this single example is a bit over the top, n'est-ce pas?
Here's a 64+ with a CAC. Is it much better?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1922-D-Peace-Silver-Dollar-NGC-MS64-plus-CAC-1/133528578100?hash=item1f16ec6834:g:TV0AAOSwnZJfbOvd
Why would you break out a 63 and repeatedly pay $35 trying to sneak it into a 64? There's no money to be made there.
Well, it's a $35 coin raw and $100 coin in a 64 holder, so....
I'd also remind everyone - in case they need it - if you are a bulk submitter sending in hundreds of these, it is pretty cheap to get them in a slab.
When I write that it's just because I'm too lazy to spend a lot of time describing a coin that I'm selling for Greysheet bid. I can sell it sight unseen with no pictures for about the same price.
I agree with this assessment.
I don't see any reason not to call that a 64. It is not very marky. Strike and eye appeal really have to be God-awful to affect the grade of a 64.
It ain't in a 69 holder, folks. It's a modest 64.
The pics look kind of dark.
Correct me if I'm wrong....that's the "no UNITED" BS-501 Variety!
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The coin is unappealing, so is the huge finger print.
It's a lousy photo, the toning isn't very attractive (to me), and there are abrasions running down Liberty's cheek, which probably accounts for the grade. On the plus side, there aren't a lot of other marks on it, the strike is decent, and it doesn't have the myriad die cracks that plague so many 22-D and 23-D dollars. That said, I would pass on this coin, based on what I can see. It's a common date, and better examples are plentiful.
Kinda like the before and after images my wife shows me on some new miracle cream.
I point out the difference in lighting...soft light/harsh light
The photographer in me says this is greatly aided by lighting. I have a few dimes like this Peace Dollar. Pass for me...
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That latent print is just too distracting for me. I think you can do better. Peace Roy
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The pictures are really bad and that interferes with any fair evaluation I think. However, it looks as if it has a large scratch near her forehead. If that is the case, is IMO, not even a candidate for a numerical grade. But it might be the holder.
Without the ability to hold the coin and rotate it in the light to see it's amazing luster, prevents anyone from assessing it's quality. Luster reigns king, so I've been educated many times on this forum. As far as its desireability, yuck. But different strokes for different folks. Photos are for great photographers who can actually accurately capture a coins look. This is lost on many of us.
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