Mint issued bags of denominational coins

DiggerJim

Is it still possible to purchase like 500 coin bags of uncirculated pennies, nickels, dimes or quarters direct from the mint. I have looked through their website and was only able to find a 200,000 coin steel pallet. Your comments would be appreciated
Thanks

DiggerJim

JBK

No.

Only half dollars, dollars, and the quarters as far as I know.

MsMorrisine

only what has been put on the catalog site and the pallet coins.

the rest will require you to make friends at a bank.

ɹoʇɔǝlloɔ

where are the pallet coins on their site?! never seen those avail

ricko

Pallet coins?? I have not seen that on the Mint site...must be concealed under another title.... Or only available to banks or large business entities (i.e. Apmex). Cheers, RickO

FredWeinberg

He's talking about the huge US Mint Ballistic Bags that
hold 400,000 cents, for example, instead of the old
smaller canvas bags that held 5,000 cent ($50 bag)

I have two of the Ballistic Bags here in my office,
and will probably put 'em up on Ebay in a few
months.

CaptHenway

@FredWeinberg said:
He's talking about the huge US Mint Ballistic Bags that
hold 400,000 cents, for example, instead of the old
smaller canvas bags that held 5,000 cent ($50 bag)

I have two of the Ballistic Bags here in my office,
and will probably put 'em up on Ebay in a few
months.

Fred, before you can sell those, you have to tell me why they are called "ballistic" bags!

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ballistic

FredWeinberg

Tom, that's the term they used at the Phily Mint
when I went there on a 2002 or 2003 Floor Tour
with Dave Camire.

I believe they used that term because the plastic
bag is so strong it can hold 4000,000 Cents, be
lifted up about 20 feet or so, and then dumped
into counting/rolling machines. I've seen the term
used before for other similar material, but I don't
know if it's bullet proof.

Saw this at the Mint, and that's how other
wrapping facilities get them to be wrapped into rolls.

Just checked my two bags here, and there is nothing
that says what the material is - (Just "Return to US Mint"!)

tcollects

@DiggerJim said:
Is it still possible to purchase like 500 coin bags of uncirculated pennies, nickels, dimes or quarters direct from the mint. I have looked through their website and was only able to find a 200,000 coin steel pallet. Your comments would be appreciated
Thanks

DiggerJim

just buy a steel pallet of cents already don't torture yourself

CaptHenway

Fred,
I know, just yanking your chain.
Still, I think that whoever at the Mint started using "ballistic" to mean "super-strong" got it wrong in the first place.

Tom147

Question, what would be the weight of a " ballistic bag " full of 400,000 cents ? I'll bet you don't just order one, pick it up and throw it in the car to take home. LOL

TurtleCat

So are all the modern errors found in these ballistic bags? I’d imagine the odds are better than in the small bags the mint sells directly to consumers. Although I’d go blind searching through 10s or 100s of thousands of coins for the oddball error that might not even be valuable.

Tom147

Done the math. ( I'm just curious ) 2,742.5 lbs

JBK

@TurtleCat said:
So are all the modern errors found in these ballistic bags? I’d imagine the odds are better than in the small bags the mint sells directly to consumers. Although I’d go blind searching through 10s or 100s of thousands of coins for the oddball error that might not even be valuable.

I think the job to have is the guy who monitors the rolling machines that the coins are dumped into. I assume the errors kick out there.

I believe that purchasers of the big bags gave to agree to return any errors, and I am sure that's what they do.

FredWeinberg

I'd never seen the 'machine' before that lifts
the Bags up onto a platform, then the bottom
of the bag opens and feeds the counting/rolling
of them.

Those bags are heavy (2,700 lbs. as mentioned above)

and when filled, they look very similar to "Jabba the Hut"

Fred

jmlanzaf

@Tom147 said:
Question, what would be the weight of a " ballistic bag " full of 400,000 cents ? I'll bet you don't just order one, pick it up and throw it in the car to take home. LOL

That's about 2200 pounds.

jmlanzaf

@FredWeinberg said:
He's talking about the huge US Mint Ballistic Bags that
hold 400,000 cents, for example, instead of the old
smaller canvas bags that held 5,000 cent ($50 bag)

I have two of the Ballistic Bags here in my office,
and will probably put 'em up on Ebay in a few
months.

What the heck does it cost so ship a ballistic bag?

CaptHenway

@jmlanzaf said:

@FredWeinberg said:
He's talking about the huge US Mint Ballistic Bags that
hold 400,000 cents, for example, instead of the old
smaller canvas bags that held 5,000 cent ($50 bag)

I have two of the Ballistic Bags here in my office,
and will probably put 'em up on Ebay in a few
months.

What the heck does it cost so ship a ballistic bag?

I dunno. Imagine a Loomis cash handling room in Chicago. Does Loomis pay freight from Denver to their location, or just the hypothetical freight from the Chicago FRB downtown to the location?

TurtleCat

@JBK said:

@TurtleCat said:
So are all the modern errors found in these ballistic bags? I’d imagine the odds are better than in the small bags the mint sells directly to consumers. Although I’d go blind searching through 10s or 100s of thousands of coins for the oddball error that might not even be valuable.

I think the job to have is the guy who monitors the rolling machines that the coins are dumped into. I assume the errors kick out there.

I believe that purchasers of the big bags gave to agree to return any errors, and I am sure that's what they do.

Interesting... You’re probably right. Maybe those are the guys who initially make the big money on errors that wouldn’t fit into a roll. I have always wondered where the source of modern errors is once the mint stopped using canvas bags.

jmlanzaf

@CaptHenway said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@FredWeinberg said:
He's talking about the huge US Mint Ballistic Bags that
hold 400,000 cents, for example, instead of the old
smaller canvas bags that held 5,000 cent ($50 bag)

I have two of the Ballistic Bags here in my office,
and will probably put 'em up on Ebay in a few
months.

What the heck does it cost so ship a ballistic bag?

I dunno. Imagine a Loomis cash handling room in Chicago. Does Loomis pay freight from Denver to their location, or just the hypothetical freight from the Chicago FRB downtown to the location?

@Tom147 said:
Done the math. ( I'm just curious ) 2,742.5 lbs

Isn't that for pre-1982 cents?

jmlanzaf

@FredWeinberg said:
Tom, that's the term they used at the Phily Mint
when I went there on a 2002 or 2003 Floor Tour
with Dave Camire.

I believe they used that term because the plastic
bag is so strong it can hold 4000,000 Cents, be
lifted up about 20 feet or so, and then dumped
into counting/rolling machines. I've seen the term
used before for other similar material, but I don't
know if it's bullet proof.

Saw this at the Mint, and that's how other
wrapping facilities get them to be wrapped into rolls.

Just checked my two bags here, and there is nothing
that says what the material is - (Just "Return to US Mint"!)

You have 4500 pounds of cents in your office? How the he&& are your floors supported?

Oldhoopster

Regarding ballistic bags

It's common to ship powdered raw materials in bags like this. We called them super sacks and they held between 2000-2500 lbs depending on the material. They have heavy duty straps on the 4 corners, so just put the straps through the fork lift forks, lift it off the pallet, and set it on a hopper/feeder. They have spout on the bottom that's tied off, so all the operator needs to do is untie it and the material flows into the hopper. Very easy to store and move in a warehouse or production floor.

Also, the bags are very strong. Nobody wants 1000 KGs of aluminum oxide powder or talc spilling all over the floor. You really need to hit them pretty with a fork truck fork to break them.

Tom147

Ahhhh !!!! I now know what they are. I'm located in S.E. Ohio and we currently have an Oil & Gas boom. I see them all the time on flatbed trucks although I'm not exactly sure what they're hauling in them. Made out of a fibre weave synthetic material.

FredWeinberg

Oldhoopster - you described them perfectly .

Jmlanzaf - sorry, I should have said they were empty !

jonathanb

I suspect that the bags are made from ballistic nylon

1630Boston

I can see just how those ballistic bags got their name. Here’s some 16" (40.6 cm) powder bags and projectile during open house aboard USS New Jersey BB-62 in 1968

U.S. Navy Photograph

from CU 2009

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/724973/this-is-a-mint-ballistic-bag

DiggerJim

Thanks Gentlemen for all of the great information, as usual!!

DiggerJim