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Indian Error? PMD? Calling Fred Weinberg
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This 1901 Indian at first blush looked like it had post mint damage but for three reasons I question that impression:
1) there is one place where the damage to the rim (in the form of flattening) continues into the face of the coin in the form of pitting or missing planchet
2) It’s not obvious from looking at the side of the rim that there’s damage
3) there is a section of denticles on the reverse that are missing entirely, not just where it could be exposed to a flattening blow
What am I seeing? All comments welcome unless you’re gonna call me late for dinner 😄
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Was there supposed to be a picture with your post? If so I don't see it.
Me neither.
I dunno, what are you seeing?
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Picture Dude!!!! Maybe to much wine Jeff?
Well, it WAS downloading them. Let me edit
It was an encased cent, in a four-leaf clover holder (likely for the Pan-American Exposition, based on the date). The bases of the leaves overlapped the rim of the coin. If you look at the edge there's a decent chance that it's deformed as well.
Too bad, it would have decent value in that grade as an encased cent.
Probably like this one.
NICE!
Wouldn't mind at all if it was mine, but it's not. Just a picture I found on the intertubes.
Ex jewelry piece, probably in something like a belt buckle. I differentiate it from an encased cent because there are discrete impressions on the rim, as opposed to an overall 360 degree flattening. Either way it is post mint damage.
Sean Reynold
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
The four leaf clover design overlaps the rim. You can see the stem on the rim below the date.
I sort of half started collecting the Pan Am Expo. I like Bison and I live near Buffalo NY. LOL.
Expos are fun to collect, but there is just sooooo much stuff.
Taking a closer look, you are exactly right, and I stand corrected. I was looking more at the flat areas at 10:00 and 12:00, which I took as remnants of a pronged holder. Thanks for pointing this out.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
I went through an encased cent phase years ago. Only have a couple anymore, this is the only Indian cent left...
Definitely right.
Mason G you absolutely and completely nailed it. Right down to the single denticle left un-smooshed where the clove stem intersects with the coin at about 6 Oclock. I was resistant to the idea it was encased because I just couldn't imagine what encasement would leave this pattern..... which is no longer an issue
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What @FredWeinberg said.
Too bad the surrounding piece is no longer with it. In that condition, it is worth more intact than as an individual cent. Cheers, RickO
It will still make a good album coin for a collector on a budget.
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