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1795 lettered edge large cent.

DeusXPDeusXP Posts: 25 ✭
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Another member asked that I post pictures of my 1795 large cent. My dad found this coin metal detecting a couple of years ago and he was brutal with cleaning it. Only 37000 minted . I know the pictures are horrible. I will get better at it at some point.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,106 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is it worth the expense to send it in to one of the major grading services for their restoration or conservation service?

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  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,955 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If that is a Jeff Head with lettering, then it may warrant conservation, grade and holder. Nice find. Peace Roy

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is a super metal detecting find.....Worth preserving IMO.... Cheers, RickO

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,106 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Question for the EAC experts. Is there enough design detail to identify the Sheldon variety?

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  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is there enough detail to see a "5" in the date? My first impression was that it was probably 1794, which would be more likely based on the number of them out there. If it is a 1795 for certain, you will be able to pin down the Sheldon variety much more easily, because there are only three of them (S73, S74, S75).

    I have dug one (dateless) Flowing Hair Cent myself, and I eventually figured out it was a 1794. You may think yours is in rough condition, but you haven't seen mine yet. :D

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,439 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2021 7:45AM

    @Namvet69 said:
    If that is a Jeff Head with lettering, then it may warrant conservation, grade and holder. Nice find. Peace Roy

    Definitely not a Jefferson Head; and from what I can tell from the reverse die, it's not a 1795 either.
    Most likely a 1794, Sheldon variety somewhere from 55 - 65. The real experts may be able to discern more about the reverse, whether it's II, JJ, or KK.

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  • DeusXPDeusXP Posts: 25 ✭

    @Walkerguy21D said:

    @Namvet69 said:
    If that is a Jeff Head with lettering, then it may warrant conservation, grade and holder. Nice find. Peace Roy

    Definitely not a Jefferson Head; and from what I can tell from the reverse die, it's not a 1795 either.
    Most likely a 1794, Sheldon variety somewhere from 55 - 65. The real experts may be able to discern more about the reverse, whether it's II, JJ, or KK.

    I thought the opposite on the reverse. I can see a 5 on the front for sure but also the reverse has the high one cent. If you look at how one almost touches the wreath on the o and the e. I am new to this so I could be very wrong.

  • DeusXPDeusXP Posts: 25 ✭

    Looking at the PCGS app. This is a 1795 reverse

    And this is the 1794.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,958 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It is a Sheldon 76a with the words "ONE CENT" high up in the center of the wreath. Many more pieces were made on lighter, thinner, plain edge planchets mostly in early 1796. The OP coin was struck in 1795.

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Certainly not an expert by any meaning of the word, but the op's upper left berry is above the leaf and the 1795 S73 and S74 have the berry behind the leaf. The 1795 S75 doesn't have the berry. So I would say no to 1795. Just my opinion, folks.
    JIm


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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,439 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2021 8:21AM

    It looks like a dual leaf under the S in STATES on the reverse, and the leaves adjacent to D in UNITED are substantially different....among other differences.... like the word CENT not really being very high above the bow.....I contend it is not a 76A:

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  • DeusXPDeusXP Posts: 25 ✭

    @Walkerguy21D said:
    It looks like a dual leaf under the S in STATES on the reverse, and the leaves adjacent to D in UNITED are substantially different....among other differences.... like the word CENT not really being very high above the bow.....I contend it is not a 76A:

    What book is that? I want to buy a copy.
    Thank you

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerguy21D said:
    It looks like a dual leaf under the S in STATES on the reverse, and the leaves adjacent to D in UNITED are substantially different....among other differences.... like the word CENT not really being very high above the bow.....I contend it is not a 76A:

    Greg,
    Is there a version of the 1795 with a berry above the leaf adjacent left to the O in One?
    Jim


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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,439 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2021 9:12AM

    What book is that? I want to buy a copy.
    Thank you

    Here is the cover shot. Say what you like about Breen, but this was issued after his death, after his manuscripts were significantly edited by my acquaintance Mark Borckardt (Heritage, and ANA 2020 Numismatist of the Year), among others:

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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,439 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2021 10:11AM

    Here's my personal S-76A.....kind of scudzy I know, and has a clipped planchet, but it is an R5.
    If anyone else has a nicer one, please post it:


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  • DeusXPDeusXP Posts: 25 ✭

    Here is the back of a ms65 sheldon s-76a.

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,439 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks, yes, that's the Brand/Bird example, and quite an anomaly.
    The next highest grade known is EAC XF45, and is impounded in the ANS collection.
    The next highest is VF30, with the Condition Census going down to F15.

    I was just curious if any other forum members owned one....with approximately 50 surviving coins estimated, I'll guess probably not.

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  • DeusXPDeusXP Posts: 25 ✭

    Should I send it in to PCGS to have a authentication? It seems to me that the coin is worth sleeving.

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,439 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I personally wouldn’t.
    I think most would agree it’s authentic, and pcgs would probably list it as genuine/corroded, but I doubt that they would attribute the Sheldon variety, and I don’t think you’d recoup the additional expenses, but you might.

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