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DennisHDennisH Posts: 13,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

A zero feedback seller has this listed on eBay:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1896-O-MORGAN-S-1-PCGS-MS-64-Rare/174579644807?hash=item28a5c1f987:g:vkEAAOSwG0Ff72zR

The auction title is "1896-O MORGAN S$1 PCGS MS 64 Rare" and one of his item specifics says:
Certification Number: 39031295

His obverse listing photo is cropped to not show the serial number:

Here is the TruView of the real coin with that serial number:

When in doubt, don't.

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  • Panda4456Panda4456 Posts: 362 ✭✭✭

    I reported it

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,070 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 1, 2021 6:16PM

    The coin pictured in the listing was also “sold” by the seller last month. He had a non-matching cert number listed then, as well, but the listing showed the entire grading label.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/1896-O-MORGAN-S-1-PCGS-MS-64-Rare-/174541150510?hash=item28a376992e:g:S9cAAOSwfR5fxiiZ&nma=true&si=4oEEikGEqXGtNav0N9WzsLCxYgo%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • vplite99vplite99 Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭✭

    Thanks, DennisH. I have to wonder why the seller bothered to furnish a real cert number, since that verified the attempted fraud.

    Vplite99
  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,462 ✭✭✭✭✭

    part of the problem is caused by eBay - so you could say they are the scammer

    Here is the coin partially described -> https://ebay.com/itm/1896-O-MORGAN-S-1-PCGS-MS-64/203026390182?hash=item2f4550dca6:g:IMIAAOSwdihf8CEz

    below the pictures is a button that says $ have one to sell SELL NOW

    if you hit the SELL NOW button, many items are prefilled, including the cert number

    many sellers search for what they have, and hit the SELL NOW button to start a listing

    I have no idea if this seller knew they were scamming or just unaware.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,070 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    part of the problem is caused by eBay - so you could say they are the scammer

    Here is the coin partially described -> https://ebay.com/itm/1896-O-MORGAN-S-1-PCGS-MS-64/203026390182?hash=item2f4550dca6:g:IMIAAOSwdihf8CEz

    below the pictures is a button that says $ have one to sell SELL NOW

    if you hit the SELL NOW button, many items are prefilled, including the cert number

    many sellers search for what they have, and hit the SELL NOW button to start a listing

    I have no idea if this seller knew they were scamming or just unaware.,

    Even though it’s a different example than the listed cert number, if - giant if - the seller actually has and will deliver the coin pictured in his listing I wouldn’t call it a scam.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • MgarmyMgarmy Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Listing removed

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 30,320 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @davewesen said:
    part of the problem is caused by eBay - so you could say they are the scammer

    Here is the coin partially described -> https://ebay.com/itm/1896-O-MORGAN-S-1-PCGS-MS-64/203026390182?hash=item2f4550dca6:g:IMIAAOSwdihf8CEz

    below the pictures is a button that says $ have one to sell SELL NOW

    if you hit the SELL NOW button, many items are prefilled, including the cert number

    many sellers search for what they have, and hit the SELL NOW button to start a listing

    I have no idea if this seller knew they were scamming or just unaware.,

    Even though it’s a different example than the listed cert number, if - giant if - the seller actually has and will deliver the coin pictured in his listing I wouldn’t call it a scam.

    Happens to me all the time. Sometimes I just forget to change the cert number in the field of one of my own listings when I'm doing multiple listings. Sometimes I forget to change the date or the type.

    As you say, it is only a scam if the seller doesn't have the coin in hand. It is suspicious that they have zero feedback and the 1st coin they sell is a 5 figure coin. But stranger things have happened.

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,462 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @davewesen said:
    part of the problem is caused by eBay - so you could say they are the scammer

    Here is the coin partially described -> https://ebay.com/itm/1896-O-MORGAN-S-1-PCGS-MS-64/203026390182?hash=item2f4550dca6:g:IMIAAOSwdihf8CEz

    below the pictures is a button that says $ have one to sell SELL NOW

    if you hit the SELL NOW button, many items are prefilled, including the cert number

    many sellers search for what they have, and hit the SELL NOW button to start a listing

    I have no idea if this seller knew they were scamming or just unaware.,

    Even though it’s a different example than the listed cert number, if - giant if - the seller actually has and will deliver the coin pictured in his listing I wouldn’t call it a scam.

    really?
    Certification Number: 39031295

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,070 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:

    @MFeld said:

    @davewesen said:
    part of the problem is caused by eBay - so you could say they are the scammer

    Here is the coin partially described -> https://ebay.com/itm/1896-O-MORGAN-S-1-PCGS-MS-64/203026390182?hash=item2f4550dca6:g:IMIAAOSwdihf8CEz

    below the pictures is a button that says $ have one to sell SELL NOW

    if you hit the SELL NOW button, many items are prefilled, including the cert number

    many sellers search for what they have, and hit the SELL NOW button to start a listing

    I have no idea if this seller knew they were scamming or just unaware.,

    Even though it’s a different example than the listed cert number, if - giant if - the seller actually has and will deliver the coin pictured in his listing I wouldn’t call it a scam.

    really?
    Certification Number: 39031295

    What’s your “really?” asking? His listing includes a picture of an MS64 and while it’s a real long shot, he could have the pictured coin, but listed the cert number incorrectly. See the post two above this one for innocent examples of that, even by an experienced seller.

    I’ll repeat my post that elicited your reply: Even though it’s a different example than the listed cert number, if - giant if - the seller actually has and will deliver the coin pictured in his listing I wouldn’t call it a scam.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 30,320 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2, 2021 7:00AM

    @davewesen said:

    @MFeld said:

    @davewesen said:
    part of the problem is caused by eBay - so you could say they are the scammer

    Here is the coin partially described -> https://ebay.com/itm/1896-O-MORGAN-S-1-PCGS-MS-64/203026390182?hash=item2f4550dca6:g:IMIAAOSwdihf8CEz

    below the pictures is a button that says $ have one to sell SELL NOW

    if you hit the SELL NOW button, many items are prefilled, including the cert number

    many sellers search for what they have, and hit the SELL NOW button to start a listing

    I have no idea if this seller knew they were scamming or just unaware.,

    Even though it’s a different example than the listed cert number, if - giant if - the seller actually has and will deliver the coin pictured in his listing I wouldn’t call it a scam.

    really?
    Certification Number: 39031295

    No, whatever the cert number is of the actual coin he has...assuming he has one at all. He did allegedly have and sell one a couple of weeks ago. My guess is it is that same coin image and he cropped the image. That one was cert number 4987427

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,070 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2, 2021 7:03AM

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MFeld said:

    @davewesen said:
    part of the problem is caused by eBay - so you could say they are the scammer

    Here is the coin partially described -> https://ebay.com/itm/1896-O-MORGAN-S-1-PCGS-MS-64/203026390182?hash=item2f4550dca6:g:IMIAAOSwdihf8CEz

    below the pictures is a button that says $ have one to sell SELL NOW

    if you hit the SELL NOW button, many items are prefilled, including the cert number

    many sellers search for what they have, and hit the SELL NOW button to start a listing

    I have no idea if this seller knew they were scamming or just unaware.,

    Even though it’s a different example than the listed cert number, if - giant if - the seller actually has and will deliver the coin pictured in his listing I wouldn’t call it a scam.

    Happens to me all the time. Sometimes I just forget to change the cert number in the field of one of my own listings when I'm doing multiple listings. Sometimes I forget to change the date or the type.

    As you say, it is only a scam if the seller doesn't have the coin in hand. It is suspicious that they have zero feedback and the 1st coin they sell is a 5 figure coin. But stranger things have happened.

    And, as I mentioned in an earlier post, the seller already “sold” the same coin last month.

    How did your post on that topic end up above mine, even though mine was a minute earlier?😮

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 30,320 ✭✭✭✭✭

    eBay removed the listing.

    I'll tell you what's weird. The seller has been an eBay member since 2017 and has zero feedback as either a buyer or seller.

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,462 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2, 2021 8:17AM

    I was going off the first post in this thread

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 30,320 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MFeld said:

    @davewesen said:
    part of the problem is caused by eBay - so you could say they are the scammer

    Here is the coin partially described -> https://ebay.com/itm/1896-O-MORGAN-S-1-PCGS-MS-64/203026390182?hash=item2f4550dca6:g:IMIAAOSwdihf8CEz

    below the pictures is a button that says $ have one to sell SELL NOW

    if you hit the SELL NOW button, many items are prefilled, including the cert number

    many sellers search for what they have, and hit the SELL NOW button to start a listing

    I have no idea if this seller knew they were scamming or just unaware.,

    Even though it’s a different example than the listed cert number, if - giant if - the seller actually has and will deliver the coin pictured in his listing I wouldn’t call it a scam.

    Happens to me all the time. Sometimes I just forget to change the cert number in the field of one of my own listings when I'm doing multiple listings. Sometimes I forget to change the date or the type.

    As you say, it is only a scam if the seller doesn't have the coin in hand. It is suspicious that they have zero feedback and the 1st coin they sell is a 5 figure coin. But stranger things have happened.

    And, as I mentioned in an earlier post, the seller already “sold” the same coin last month.

    Yes, I know. He's an 1896-O specialist. ;)

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,070 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MFeld said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MFeld said:

    @davewesen said:
    part of the problem is caused by eBay - so you could say they are the scammer

    Here is the coin partially described -> https://ebay.com/itm/1896-O-MORGAN-S-1-PCGS-MS-64/203026390182?hash=item2f4550dca6:g:IMIAAOSwdihf8CEz

    below the pictures is a button that says $ have one to sell SELL NOW

    if you hit the SELL NOW button, many items are prefilled, including the cert number

    many sellers search for what they have, and hit the SELL NOW button to start a listing

    I have no idea if this seller knew they were scamming or just unaware.,

    Even though it’s a different example than the listed cert number, if - giant if - the seller actually has and will deliver the coin pictured in his listing I wouldn’t call it a scam.

    Happens to me all the time. Sometimes I just forget to change the cert number in the field of one of my own listings when I'm doing multiple listings. Sometimes I forget to change the date or the type.

    As you say, it is only a scam if the seller doesn't have the coin in hand. It is suspicious that they have zero feedback and the 1st coin they sell is a 5 figure coin. But stranger things have happened.

    And, as I mentioned in an earlier post, the seller already “sold” the same coin last month.

    Yes, I know. He's an 1896-O specialist. ;)

    No, he’s a PCGS MS64 1896-O specialist.😉

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 30,320 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MFeld said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MFeld said:

    @davewesen said:
    part of the problem is caused by eBay - so you could say they are the scammer

    Here is the coin partially described -> https://ebay.com/itm/1896-O-MORGAN-S-1-PCGS-MS-64/203026390182?hash=item2f4550dca6:g:IMIAAOSwdihf8CEz

    below the pictures is a button that says $ have one to sell SELL NOW

    if you hit the SELL NOW button, many items are prefilled, including the cert number

    many sellers search for what they have, and hit the SELL NOW button to start a listing

    I have no idea if this seller knew they were scamming or just unaware.,

    Even though it’s a different example than the listed cert number, if - giant if - the seller actually has and will deliver the coin pictured in his listing I wouldn’t call it a scam.

    Happens to me all the time. Sometimes I just forget to change the cert number in the field of one of my own listings when I'm doing multiple listings. Sometimes I forget to change the date or the type.

    As you say, it is only a scam if the seller doesn't have the coin in hand. It is suspicious that they have zero feedback and the 1st coin they sell is a 5 figure coin. But stranger things have happened.

    And, as I mentioned in an earlier post, the seller already “sold” the same coin last month.

    Yes, I know. He's an 1896-O specialist. ;)

    No, he’s a PCGS MS64 1896-O specialist.😉

    LOL. Fair enough. Of course, why would he bother with lowly MS62 coins.

    OT but I did know a guy who for years was an 1893-S Morgan $ specialist. He'd go to shows and all he had was a case full of 1893-S Morgan $s. Later, he branched out a bit and had other dates as well. But I remember him in those early years, sitting at that table at our local show with 10 or 12 1893-S $s in the center of a case. LOL. Just waiting for that one big spender. Nice portable inventory!

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Listing has been pulled... so obviously some issue of note. Will likely come up again though.... Thanks for the pictures. Cheers, RickO

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,002 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It never ceases 😦

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