I would not except for maybe the 41-D. I do not see a reverse image for that one but the obverse looks very nice. I would have to look it over and research it to see if it was worth the cost.
@291fifth said:
Slabbing them would be a complete waste of money. You would need to achieve sky high grades to even come close to being able to recover your costs.
Take this into consideration. I've been offered $200 for the 53P raw and $700 for the 41D raw. I bought the 53P with 6 other coins in an old Wayte board for $25. The 41D came in a complete Library of Coins album for $45. The others in a 7107 Dansco for $18.
@291fifth said:
Slabbing them would be a complete waste of money. You would need to achieve sky high grades to even come close to being able to recover your costs.
Take this into consideration. I've been offered $200 for the 53P raw and $700 for the 41D raw. I bought the 53P with 6 other coins in an old Wayte board for $25. The 41D came in a complete Library of Coins album for $45. The others in a 7107 Dansco for $18.
...and you haven't sold them yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!
@291fifth said:
Slabbing them would be a complete waste of money. You would need to achieve sky high grades to even come close to being able to recover your costs.
Take this into consideration. I've been offered $200 for the 53P raw and $700 for the 41D raw. I bought the 53P with 6 other coins in an old Wayte board for $25. The 41D came in a complete Library of Coins album for $45. The others in a 7107 Dansco for $18.
@AlanSki The majority of the CU group is going to have vastly different opinions compared to the IG coin community.
Ask on IG and you'll get completely different answers. That 41-D is a monster $$ coin straight graded.
Btw I go by @glassmancoins on IG.
@291fifth said:
Slabbing them would be a complete waste of money. You would need to achieve sky high grades to even come close to being able to recover your costs.
Take this into consideration. I've been offered $200 for the 53P raw and $700 for the 41D raw. I bought the 53P with 6 other coins in an old Wayte board for $25. The 41D came in a complete Library of Coins album for $45. The others in a 7107 Dansco for $18.
...and you haven't sold them yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not about selling. If I like something I keep it.
If it's not going to be sold, I don't see the benefit in sending them in. You got them pretty cheap, you have established a market for them if you wanted to sell. Only spend more money on them if you want a TPG opinion and a holder you have to break in order to get the coin out.
My thinking is this. My hobbies are varying right now. I'm between coins and pokemon right now. Cards like coins have a better resell value if graded. If I ever decided to sell them it'll be easier in a slab so people won't have to guess a grade.
If you're preserving them for your heirs, or when your eyesight isn't as good, then slab them and "know" what you've got. Consider it insurance and weigh the cost that way. $$$ to get them slabbed vs you or your family sell them for a nickel each later on.
@AlanSki said:
My thinking is this. My hobbies are varying right now. I'm between coins and pokemon right now. Cards like coins have a better resell value if graded. If I ever decided to sell them it'll be easier in a slab so people won't have to guess a grade.
It would help to have them straight graded. There's always that AT vs NT issue hanging over them otherwise
I collect toned Lincolns. The 41-D is a beast and definitely worth slabbing. I would also do the 69-S. I can’t imagine someone wanting to pay $200 for the 1953 so I would sell that in a heartbeat.
The 47-S might be in demand in a BN holder but the coin does little for me. The 1970 looks like something you could spend.
@AlanSki The majority of the CU group is going to have vastly different opinions compared to the IG coin community.
Ask on IG and you'll get completely different answers. That 41-D is a monster $$ coin straight graded.
Btw I go by @glassmancoins on IG.
Its like asking people who are intolerant to spicy food if you should put jalapenos on your nachos.
@AlanSki The majority of the CU group is going to have vastly different opinions compared to the IG coin community.
Ask on IG and you'll get completely different answers. That 41-D is a monster $$ coin straight graded.
Btw I go by @glassmancoins on IG.
Its like asking people who are intolerant to spicy food if you should put jalapenos on your nachos.
This is an excellent analogy. There are a number of people on this board that simply cannot see past what they themselves don’t like or don’t collect. Some of them also don’t abstain from commenting in those situations. I don’t collect gold but I don’t think every key date Saint is worth melt.
That said, toned coins are very personal and tastes are different. I love the 41-D but I really see nothing interesting about the 1970 and I don’t like the toning on the 53 (although I can see that it’s worth at least a little premium).
@AlanSki The majority of the CU group is going to have vastly different opinions compared to the IG coin community.
Ask on IG and you'll get completely different answers. That 41-D is a monster $$ coin straight graded.
Btw I go by @glassmancoins on IG.
Its like asking people who are intolerant to spicy food if you should put jalapenos on your nachos.
This is an excellent analogy. There are a number of people on this board that simply cannot see past what they themselves don’t like or don’t collect. Some of them also don’t abstain from commenting in those situations. I don’t collect gold but I don’t think every key date Saint is worth melt.
That said, toned coins are very personal and tastes are different. I love the 41-D but I really see nothing interesting about the 1970 and I don’t like the toning on the 53 (although I can see that it’s worth at least a little premium).
This is so true. It works both ways, however. You don't want to always be in an echo chamber.
As I always say, don't argue with the market. If the market loves a coin you hate, price according to the market. And vice versa.
@AlanSki said:
My thinking is this. My hobbies are varying right now. I'm between coins and pokemon right now. Cards like coins have a better resell value if graded. If I ever decided to sell them it'll be easier in a slab so people won't have to guess a grade.
I agree, if it doesn't break the bank...........I would send them in
JMHO
@291fifth said:
Slabbing them would be a complete waste of money. You would need to achieve sky high grades to even come close to being able to recover your costs.
Take this into consideration. I've been offered $200 for the 53P raw and $700 for the 41D raw. I bought the 53P with 6 other coins in an old Wayte board for $25. The 41D came in a complete Library of Coins album for $45. The others in a 7107 Dansco for $18.
...and you haven't sold them yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not about selling. If I like something I keep it.
FWIW I have many coins that I've slabbed that many on the board here would say "don't waste your money" or "they're not worth grading" etc.
Fact is those folks are not around while I'm at home enjoying looking at my coins.
@291fifth said:
Slabbing them would be a complete waste of money. You would need to achieve sky high grades to even come close to being able to recover your costs.
Take this into consideration. I've been offered $200 for the 53P raw and $700 for the 41D raw. I bought the 53P with 6 other coins in an old Wayte board for $25. The 41D came in a complete Library of Coins album for $45. The others in a 7107 Dansco for $18.
...and you haven't sold them yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not about selling. If I like something I keep it.
FWIW I have many coins that I've slabbed that many on the board here would say "don't waste your money" or "they're not worth grading" etc.
Fact is those folks are not around while I'm at home enjoying looking at my coins.
OK, but it's actually easier to enjoy looking at coins at home without a plastic slab around them.
Getting toners certified doesn't always increase their market value. They can be net graded or QC'd. OTOH, it's easy enough to crack them back out.
Final point is that sometimes high offers are volatile. When you later start actively shopping the coin, they may not be there anymore.
I don't know the value of the 53 P, except four years ago, I found a 53 S that would grade MS 65 RD and it was worth $15, so I didn't bother having it graded.
Cladking, if he's still on these boards, is probably your best person to comment on the Lincoln Memorial Cents. I'm under the impression that unless you're dealing with some sort of error, if they won't grade MS 67, you won't get your grading fees back if / when you sell them.
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@Elcontador said:
I don't know the value of the 53 P, except four years ago, I found a 53 S that would grade MS 65 RD and it was worth $15, so I didn't bother having it graded.
Cladking, if he's still on these boards, is probably your best person to comment on the Lincoln Memorial Cents. I'm under the impression that unless you're dealing with some sort of error, if they won't grade MS 67, you won't get your grading fees back if / when you sell them.
Here's the difference in populations. 53 S in Red
53 P in Brown
From a value standpoint, none of them are worth the grading fees. You must know the offers you quoted are completely absurd and if legit you should have taken them and ran (if you did not feel guilty about it). If sentimental to you, then of course by all means get them graded to see if they straight grade and what you get.
one can pay around 30 bucks, per coin to be graded, I have some like the one you posted, and many others, that are there just on capsules, have been like this for a long time now, do not know if some day end up being sent to be graded, have a look of some samples:
To the right collector the more colorful coins are definitely worth slabbing. May not be everybody's cup of tea but that does not mean there is not value. If you want to slab them I say go for it. Good luck.
@MasonG said:
The fact that few coins are graded at any particular level is not evidence that they are hard to find. There could be other reasons.
Just sayin'.
are you suggesting they may be worth less than the cost of slabbing?
That's always a possibility. A brief glance at what's for sale in PCGS plastic on eBay demonstrates that.
Yes, the pictured coins have some color. If you're selling and you find the right buyer, that'll add value. Is the color enough to make having them graded worthwhile? I don't know. IMO, the only one that I find particularly appealing is the 41-D. And without seeing the reverse, well... hard to say anything definitive.
OK, but it's actually easier to enjoy looking at coins at home without a plastic slab around them.
Easier?
To each his own.
I enjoy my ancients raw, my bullion raw but I can't say I find them "easier to enjoy" than my slabbed pieces.
Others' results will vary.
Alright, how about "as easy"? One can purchase cheap plastic protection for a raw coin, if desired, with the added benefit that the coin can subsequently be removed for observation or photography. Particularly for larger coins, I enjoy holding them outside of a slab.
The main point I was trying to make was that slabbing is relatively less important if one isn't planning to sell than if one is.
In your opinion. Many "slam dunk NT" coins have been QC'd over the years. My statement was of a general nature, in any case.
Is there any question that all input here is opinion based? Some are just a little more informed than others and its not difficult to discern.
"slam dunk NT" was also an opinion. So is PCGS deeming it "QC". Plenty of coins determined to be QC have straight graded on a subsequent trip.
Honestly, this discussion seems a little pointless. If you don't agree with my original statement that sometimes getting a toner certified decreases its value, let's just agree to disagree. I guess that would imply that if the OP sent the raw coin in question to PCGS and it came back QC, you'd be prepared to offer him more money for it than presently (at least enough to cover the costs of certification).
The market for BN toned Lincolns is a very thin market, vivid colorfully toned (like the 41-D) will bring a huge premium if you can find the right buyer at the right time and if the pops don't explode before you sell (there are already 6 graded at MS66 so the market for this date/mm will be saturated soon). The issue is how long will those 10 or so collectors that are looking to pay the huge premiums be in the market, and once they exit the market where will the market for these go. If I were you I would send in the 41-D, 47-S, and 69-S and sell those at once if they straight grade. If you check the BST there is one of the ten collectors looking for a 53 so maybe you can get in contact and work something out on it
@Batman23 said:
I would not except for maybe the 41-D. I do not see a reverse image for that one but the obverse looks very nice. I would have to look it over and research it to see if it was worth the cost.
Love this coin. It should do well!
The others are slightly musky and "MS64'ish" in my opinion- thus not worth the expense of grading.
@291fifth said:
Slabbing them would be a complete waste of money. You would need to achieve sky high grades to even come close to being able to recover your costs.
Take this into consideration. I've been offered $200 for the 53P raw and $700 for the 41D raw. I bought the 53P with 6 other coins in an old Wayte board for $25. The 41D came in a complete Library of Coins album for $45. The others in a 7107 Dansco for $18.
Can you send them my way also lol. I have library of album's with lincoln sets from 1941 2 1974 that have colors similar to that!!! For that price my jaw would drop!!
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I would not except for maybe the 41-D. I do not see a reverse image for that one but the obverse looks very nice. I would have to look it over and research it to see if it was worth the cost.
If I already had an econ going in I'd submit a couple of those.
Slabbing them would be a complete waste of money. You would need to achieve sky high grades to even come close to being able to recover your costs.
Yes on the 69-S and 41-D.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/rs8199/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
No
I would not submit any of those cents. However, they are your coins, and your money. Good luck. Cheers, RickO
Take this into consideration. I've been offered $200 for the 53P raw and $700 for the 41D raw. I bought the 53P with 6 other coins in an old Wayte board for $25. The 41D came in a complete Library of Coins album for $45. The others in a 7107 Dansco for $18.
...and you haven't sold them yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!
@AlanSki The majority of the CU group is going to have vastly different opinions compared to the IG coin community.
Ask on IG and you'll get completely different answers. That 41-D is a monster $$ coin straight graded.
Btw I go by @glassmancoins on IG.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/rs8199/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
I'm not about selling. If I like something I keep it.
If it's not going to be sold, I don't see the benefit in sending them in. You got them pretty cheap, you have established a market for them if you wanted to sell. Only spend more money on them if you want a TPG opinion and a holder you have to break in order to get the coin out.
I am not up on the current prices but if those offers are anywhere in the ballpark of what you think they are worth graded then sell as is.
My thinking is this. My hobbies are varying right now. I'm between coins and pokemon right now. Cards like coins have a better resell value if graded. If I ever decided to sell them it'll be easier in a slab so people won't have to guess a grade.
I would definitely submit the 41
If you're preserving them for your heirs, or when your eyesight isn't as good, then slab them and "know" what you've got. Consider it insurance and weigh the cost that way. $$$ to get them slabbed vs you or your family sell them for a nickel each later on.
It would help to have them straight graded. There's always that AT vs NT issue hanging over them otherwise
It also should help stabilize them
Nice looking cents!
I collect toned Lincolns. The 41-D is a beast and definitely worth slabbing. I would also do the 69-S. I can’t imagine someone wanting to pay $200 for the 1953 so I would sell that in a heartbeat.
The 47-S might be in demand in a BN holder but the coin does little for me. The 1970 looks like something you could spend.
No.
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You can grade them, but..as far as submitting them---
waste of $'s.
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Its like asking people who are intolerant to spicy food if you should put jalapenos on your nachos.
This is an excellent analogy. There are a number of people on this board that simply cannot see past what they themselves don’t like or don’t collect. Some of them also don’t abstain from commenting in those situations. I don’t collect gold but I don’t think every key date Saint is worth melt.
That said, toned coins are very personal and tastes are different. I love the 41-D but I really see nothing interesting about the 1970 and I don’t like the toning on the 53 (although I can see that it’s worth at least a little premium).
The 53 P has low pops in BN.
This is so true. It works both ways, however. You don't want to always be in an echo chamber.
As I always say, don't argue with the market. If the market loves a coin you hate, price according to the market. And vice versa.
Which key date Saint IS worth melt?
I agree, if it doesn't break the bank...........I would send them in
JMHO
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RickO +1.
FWIW I have many coins that I've slabbed that many on the board here would say "don't waste your money" or "they're not worth grading" etc.
Fact is those folks are not around while I'm at home enjoying looking at my coins.
OK, but it's actually easier to enjoy looking at coins at home without a plastic slab around them.
Getting toners certified doesn't always increase their market value. They can be net graded or QC'd. OTOH, it's easy enough to crack them back out.
Final point is that sometimes high offers are volatile. When you later start actively shopping the coin, they may not be there anymore.
I really like the 41D. That'd be the only one that would have enough eye appeal for me.
I don't know the value of the 53 P, except four years ago, I found a 53 S that would grade MS 65 RD and it was worth $15, so I didn't bother having it graded.
Cladking, if he's still on these boards, is probably your best person to comment on the Lincoln Memorial Cents. I'm under the impression that unless you're dealing with some sort of error, if they won't grade MS 67, you won't get your grading fees back if / when you sell them.
"Seu cabra da peste,
"Sou Mangueira......."
Whaaaat??
Here's the difference in populations. 53 S in Red
53 P in Brown
Do you think a toner in a QC slab is generally worth more than it is raw? I don't. There's no question of authenticity with the OP's coins.
The fact that few coins are graded at any particular level is not evidence that they are hard to find. There could be other reasons.
Just sayin'.
There also isn't anything questionable about the color.
From a value standpoint, none of them are worth the grading fees. You must know the offers you quoted are completely absurd and if legit you should have taken them and ran (if you did not feel guilty about it). If sentimental to you, then of course by all means get them graded to see if they straight grade and what you get.
are you suggesting they may be worth less than the cost of slabbing?
If those were in MS64RB (MS66BN for the 41-D), would you be able to sell them for more?
In your opinion. Many "slam dunk NT" coins have been QC'd over the years. My statement was of a general nature, in any case.
one can pay around 30 bucks, per coin to be graded, I have some like the one you posted, and many others, that are there just on capsules, have been like this for a long time now, do not know if some day end up being sent to be graded, have a look of some samples:
To the right collector the more colorful coins are definitely worth slabbing. May not be everybody's cup of tea but that does not mean there is not value. If you want to slab them I say go for it. Good luck.
That's always a possibility. A brief glance at what's for sale in PCGS plastic on eBay demonstrates that.
Yes, the pictured coins have some color. If you're selling and you find the right buyer, that'll add value. Is the color enough to make having them graded worthwhile? I don't know. IMO, the only one that I find particularly appealing is the 41-D. And without seeing the reverse, well... hard to say anything definitive.
Easier?
To each his own.
I enjoy my ancients raw, my bullion raw but I can't say I find them "easier to enjoy" than my slabbed pieces.
Others' results will vary.
It often means that they aren't worth bothering with.
Alright, how about "as easy"? One can purchase cheap plastic protection for a raw coin, if desired, with the added benefit that the coin can subsequently be removed for observation or photography. Particularly for larger coins, I enjoy holding them outside of a slab.
The main point I was trying to make was that slabbing is relatively less important if one isn't planning to sell than if one is.
Is there any question that all input here is opinion based? Some are just a little more informed than others and its not difficult to discern.
"slam dunk NT" was also an opinion. So is PCGS deeming it "QC". Plenty of coins determined to be QC have straight graded on a subsequent trip.
Honestly, this discussion seems a little pointless. If you don't agree with my original statement that sometimes getting a toner certified decreases its value, let's just agree to disagree. I guess that would imply that if the OP sent the raw coin in question to PCGS and it came back QC, you'd be prepared to offer him more money for it than presently (at least enough to cover the costs of certification).
The market for BN toned Lincolns is a very thin market, vivid colorfully toned (like the 41-D) will bring a huge premium if you can find the right buyer at the right time and if the pops don't explode before you sell (there are already 6 graded at MS66 so the market for this date/mm will be saturated soon). The issue is how long will those 10 or so collectors that are looking to pay the huge premiums be in the market, and once they exit the market where will the market for these go. If I were you I would send in the 41-D, 47-S, and 69-S and sell those at once if they straight grade. If you check the BST there is one of the ten collectors looking for a 53 so maybe you can get in contact and work something out on it
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Love this coin. It should do well!
The others are slightly musky and "MS64'ish" in my opinion- thus not worth the expense of grading.
To you. PCGS sometimes disagrees.
Can you send them my way also lol. I have library of album's with lincoln sets from 1941 2 1974 that have colors similar to that!!! For that price my jaw would drop!!