Liberty Seated Trimes (LST) from Bob Simpson

Zoins

Does Lady Liberty sit on all coin denominations?

Silver specimens by William Barber were sold as part of complete silver sets.

https://uspatterns.stores.yahoo.net/j796p783.html

These are top pops from Bob Simpson with no other provenance.

1870 Liberty Seated Trime in Silver - Judd-797, Pollock-884 - PCGS PR65 CAM TOP POP 1/0 CAC - Simpson

• https://www.pcgs.com/cert/40276458

1870 Liberty Seated Trime in Aluminum - Judd-801, Pollock-888 - PCGS PR66 CAM TOP POP 1/0 CAC - Simpson

• https://www.pcgs.com/cert/40274661

ms70

I've never seen those. I'd love to have one.

Zoins

@ms70 said:
I've never seen those. I'd love to have one.

I have never seen one before either. I like using the USPatterns.com Pattern Concordance but that's easier to use when you know exactly what you're looking for than exploring or browsing. Having these on Heritage has been a treat.

ricko

They are certainly beautiful examples of those tiny coins. Thanks for posting them. Cheers, RickO

ms70

The HA photos have a significantly different perspective. It's nice to compare.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/patterns/1870-3c-three-cent-silver-judd-797-pollock-884-low-r7-pr65-cameo-pcgs-cac-pcgs-535394-/a/1326-3164.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

Edit: Both are up for auction:

https://coins.ha.com/itm/patterns/1870-3c-three-cent-silver-judd-801-pollock-888-r8-pr66-cameo-pcgs-cac-pcgs-800004-/a/1326-3165.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

yosclimber

There are some 1849 pattern trimes which are even closer to the Liberty Seated design.
They use the obverse die from the 1849 V-8 half dime.

J-111
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1849-3c-j-111-org-cam/535106
https://uspatterns.stores.yahoo.net/j111p125.html

J-112
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1849-3c-j-112-org/11490
https://uspatterns.stores.yahoo.net/j112p126.html

P.S. These are just examples of pattern trimes from PCGS CoinFacts.
I don't know exactly which examples of these Bob Simpson may have or still has in his collection.

SeattleSlammer

Way cool design, love it.

But doesn’t that PR65 have some obverse issues at 9 o’clock rim and fields? And the PR66 seems like it has a lot of polish lines for the grade.

ms70

@yosclimber said:
There are some 1849 pattern trimes which are even closer to the Liberty Seated design.
They use the obverse die from the 1849 V-8 half dime.

J-111
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1849-3c-j-111-org-cam/535106
https://uspatterns.stores.yahoo.net/j111p125.html

J-112
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1849-3c-j-112-org/11490
https://uspatterns.stores.yahoo.net/j112p126.html

I would it be the same diameter as a half dime but less weight? Coinfacts doesn't give a diameter.

Zoins

@ms70 said:
The HA photos have a significantly different perspective. It's nice to compare.

Heritage's close up photos are great. I'm debating whether to add them or not, mostly because it's more work

yosclimber

@ms70 said:
[1849 pattern trimes]
I would it be the same diameter as a half dime but less weight? Coinfacts doesn't give a diameter.

It is the same diameter as a half dime.
I believe the plan was to use a 50% silver alloy to reduce the silver content.
However, apparently restrikes were made in 90% silver, probably with the normal half dime planchets.

From uspatterns:

These were supposedly struck in an alloy of 50% silver and 50% copper and weigh 22 grains. To my knowledge, none of these have ever been analyzed. Restrikes were apparently made, presumably in normal 90% silver alloy and should weigh different.

Zoins

@yosclimber said:

@ms70 said:
[1849 pattern trimes]
I would it be the same diameter as a half dime but less weight? Coinfacts doesn't give a diameter.

It is the same diameter as a half dime.
I believe the plan was to use a 50% silver alloy to reduce the silver content.
However, apparently restrikes were made in 90% silver, probably with the normal half dime planchets.

From uspatterns:

These were supposedly struck in an alloy of 50% silver and 50% copper and weigh 22 grains. To my knowledge, none of these have ever been analyzed. Restrikes were apparently made, presumably in normal 90% silver alloy and should weigh different.

Looks like time to do some analysis for the next owner

Smudge

Just what I need, something else to wish I had.

jesbroken

Had they coined those, I would bet a much larger following for the series would have resulted.
I agree with @Smudge.
Jim

retirednow

Simpson also had a J-796 PR66 (Silver /Plain) Edge and the Copper version J-798 PR66RB (Plain edge) in part 1 & 2 of the auction. I always thought these trimes were neat and one finally one came up for auction a few years ago ... a J-799 PR65RB w/ CAC (reeded edge version) so I bid on it and won. I think a great looking copper piece.

While these samples are mostly High R.6 or low R.7 (except the Aluminum strikes) ... they seem seldom in auctions. Then Bob turns around and auctions his collection off and now we have several bites at the apple to pick a sample up. If I did not already have my liberty seated trime pattern I would have bid one of these.

Zoins

@retirednow said:
Simpson also had a J-796 PR66 (Silver /Plain) Edge and the Copper version J-798 PR66RB (Plain edge) in part 1 & 2 of the auction. I always thought these trimes were neat and one finally one came up for auction a few years ago ... a J-799 PR65RB w/ CAC (reeded edge version) so I bid on it and won. I think a great looking copper piece.

While these samples are mostly High R.6 or low R.7 (except the Aluminum strikes) ... they seem seldom in auctions. Then Bob turns around and auctions his collection off and now we have several bites at the apple to pick a sample up. If I did not already have my liberty seated trime pattern I would have bid one of these.

That's a great looking coin! I really like copper patterns because they let us see coins with different looks. Congrats for picking it up!

LanLord

How have those eluded my attention for so many years?

They are cool!

2dueces

Why the mint doesn’t go back to these designs on moderns is a mistake. Imagine the beautiful of Liberty on a modern nickel with a simple V on the reverse. Or a quarter with XXV on the reverse. Do you think it might lure a new generation of YN’s?

Zoins

@2dueces said:
Why the mint doesn’t go back to these designs on moderns is a mistake. Imagine the beautiful of Liberty on a modern nickel with a simple V on the reverse. Or a quarter with XXV on the reverse. Do you think it might lure a new generation of YN’s?

It's up to Congress, not the Mint.

For NCLT, Congress authorized 2021 Morgan and Peace dollars so it's happening.

For circulating coins, Congress tried but failed. I haven't heard or seen anyone supporting Congress in this so the bill's failure isn't that surprising.

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/971838/does-lady-liberty-have-a-better-chance-now#latest