Is this a US Mint waffled coin or PMD?

Zoins

This is a waffled coin, but was it waffled by the Mint or afterwards?

This is dated 1996 which is before the time the Mint started waffling coins in 2002. It also has a different waffle pattern than other US coins.

PerryHall

Isn't waffling a form of PMD?

Zoins

@PerryHall said:
Isn't waffling a form of PMD?

Is US Mint waffling done by US Mint staff in US Mint facilities? If so, I wouldn't consider that "post-Mint", which to me means after the piece is in possession of another party.

TurtleCat

It doesn’t look like any waffle ones I’ve seen, though I haven’t seen many. I’ll err on the side of done outside the mint.

silverpop

outside the mint PMD

bearcave

@silverpop said:
outside the mint PMD

This

ricko

If I were betting... and there was some way to establish fact - I would wager on PMD.... done by someone long after the mint. Does not look like any mint waffled coins I have seen. Cheers, RickO

PerryHall

@Zoins said:

@PerryHall said:
Isn't waffling a form of PMD?

Is US Mint waffling done by US Mint staff in US Mint facilities? If so, I wouldn't consider that "post-Mint", which to me means after the piece is in possession of another party.

PMD means Post Mintage Damage. The waffling happened AFTER the coin was minted. If a mint employee took a freshly minted coin and beat it with a sledge hammer before it left the mint, it would be PMD. A lot of it comes down to intent. Waffling was intended to destroy the coin and render it into scrap metal.

MWallace

Could've been waffled at a foreign mint. They use a different waffling pattern.

Jimnight

Doesn't look like waffling to me ... it looks like PMD.

PerryHall

@Jimnight said:
Doesn't look like waffling to me ... it looks like PMD.

It looks like both to me.

Jimnight

@PerryHall said:

@Jimnight said:
Doesn't look like waffling to me ... it looks like PMD.

It looks like both to me.

Your right!

FredWeinberg

Not done by the US Mint's Waffle machine, imo

Zoins

@PerryHall said:

@Zoins said:

@PerryHall said:
Isn't waffling a form of PMD?

Is US Mint waffling done by US Mint staff in US Mint facilities? If so, I wouldn't consider that "post-Mint", which to me means after the piece is in possession of another party.

PMD means Post Mintage Damage. The waffling happened AFTER the coin was minted. If a mint employee took a freshly minted coin and beat it with a sledge hammer before it left the mint, it would be PMD. A lot of it comes down to intent. Waffling was intended to destroy the coin and render it into scrap metal.

That's not the definition I'm familiar with.

There are generally two terms used "Post-Mint Damage (PMD)" and "Post-Strike Damage (PSD)".

It seems you're using the definition for Post-Strike Damage.

See this:

https://varietyerrors.com/coins/post-mint-damage-post-strike-damage-what-you-need-to-know-about-pmd-psd-vs-error-coins-damaged-coins-value/

Post Mint Damage & Post Strike Damage: What You Need To Know About PMD & PSD vs. Error Coins + Damaged Coins Value

It stands for Post Mint Damage, and refers to any damage a coin has suffered after leaving the mint.
[...]
Post Mint Damage (PMD) and Post Strike Damage (PSD) are often mistaken for errors on U.S. coins

And this:

http://www.coinzip.com/articlesPage1.php?i=174

PMD (Post Mint Damage
[...]
PMD stands for Post Mint Damage, and refers to any damage a coin has suffered after leaving the mint.

ctf_error_coins

The US mint did not waffle that coin, wrong pattern.

JBK

Agree on the PMD vs PSD distinction. Plenty of PSD has come out of the mint over the years.